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14 currently active Munich-born footballers have received a call up to a national team. None of those was from Germany. Here are their stories.
2020.09.18 13:09 PiggySVW14 currently active Munich-born footballers have received a call up to a national team. None of those was from Germany. Here are their stories.
While searching some stuff on Transfermarkt, I discovered that there are 14 currently active football players who were born in Munich and have been called up for at least one senior national team fixture. Funnily, not a single one of those 14 players was called up to the German Nationalmannschaft. I decided to take a closer look at their respective careers. There are some more obvious paths like Germans of Turkish descent who went on to play in and for Turkey but also some pretty obscure careers. I begin with the most capped player and work my way down the list to the players who only got a call up without getting any game time. I sincerely hope you enjoy this read, it was pretty fun to write down!
Age: 32 Position: Left Winger Current team: - National team: USA (57 matches, 2 goals) The most-capped player in this list is American international Fabian Johnson. He was born in 1987 in München-Giesing and started his footballing career playing for Sportfreunde München before making the switch to 1860 where he spent 13 years. In 2009, he began his career in the 1. Bundesliga with Wolfsburg. Until today he made over 200 appearances in Germany's top flight for the Wolves, Hoffenheim and Gladbach. Currently he's without a club as Borussia didn't want to extend his contract. The defensive-minded winger played for all the DFB youth teams and even won the under-21 Euros in 2009 alongside players like Mesut Özil, Mats Hummels or Manuel Neuer. However, Johnson - son of a German mother and an American father - stated that he "always felt quite American", so it's no wonder that he accepted the invitation when USMNT coach Jürgen Klinsmann called him up to the US squad in 2011. Since then he participated in the World Cup 2014, the Copa América 2016 and several Gold Cups. His last international game to date was in September 2017.
Age: 28 Position: Central Midfielder Current team: United City F.C. National team: Philippines (51 matches, 4 goals) "Manny" Ott also represented 1860 München during his youth career before eventually ending up at FC Ingolstadt's academy in 2009. He spent five year's in the Audi city before going to his mother's home country to play for Ceres-La Salle FC, who are now called United City F.C. He won several titles with the Filipino powerhouse and in fact returned to them in February 2020 after a wasted year in Thailand where he only managed to play one single game for Ratchaburi Mitr Phol F.C. due to a tibia fracture. Ott played his first senior game for the Philippines on 16 January 2010 at only 17 years of age. A scout had been sent out to find players in Europe who are eligible for the Filipino team. The midfielder's first goal followed in a 3-0 win over Cambodia in 2014.
Age: 25 Position: Attacking Midfielder Current team: United City F.C. National team: Philippines (21 matches, 3 goals) Another one? Yes! Mike Ott followed his big brother's footsteps and also graduated from 1860's youth system before joining Nürnberg in 2014. He was unable to impress in the first team and instead played for Nürnberg's under-23 team in the fourth tier. After three seasons, he decided to start on an adventure in Asia instead, so he made the switch to Angthong F.C. in Thai League 2. He had a decent stint in Thailand which made his brother's club Ceres offer him a contract in 2018. The new owners changed the team's name but re-signed both brothers in this summer. What are the Otts? Mike was part of the Filipino national team for the first time in 2013 but didn't get to enter the pitch. His debut actually only came in October 2016 against Bahrain and he even scored the goal in his team's 1:3 loss.
Age: 30 Position: Attacking Midfielder Current team: - National team: Turkey (12 matches, 0 goals) "Memo" Ekici began playing football for former Bundesliga outfit SpVgg Unterhaching, but he quickly became a member of FC Bayern's youth system. He made it onto Bayern's bench in 2009/10 but never played a minute for Bayern's senior squad. For the following season he was loaned out to fellow Bundesliga team Nürnberg where the young talent impressed alongside fellow German Turk Ilkay Gündogan. While the latter was bought by Borussia Dortmund, Ekici went to Werder Bremen. He never really broke through in the Hanseatic city and was eventually sold to Trabzonspor in 2014. In his first season he scored 9 goals and assisted another 11, but he couldn't replicate those numbers afterwards. In early 2017 he was suspended by Trabzonspor because he insisted on a transfer to Fenerbahce instead of Besiktas which Trabzonspor preferred. When his contract ran out after the season he finally joined Fener and played there until last season, albeit with mediocre success. Ekici played for the German youth national teams before the Turkish FA convinced him to play for them after his strong start to the 2010/11 season. He debuted against the Netherlands in November 2010 but never managed to play a major part in the Crescent-Stars' team. His last appearance to date was in 2015.
Age: 32 Position: Defensive Midfielder Current team: Alanyaspor National team: Turkey (6 matches, 0 goals) Gülselam spent the 1994/95 season at mighty Gartenstadt Trudering before spending 8 years in FC Bayern's junior teams. In 2006 he went to Unterhaching where he experienced his first games in 2. Bundesliga. They were relegated, but Gülselam still stayed for another season. He seems to have impressed some Turkish scouts as Trabzonspor decided to pick him up in 2008. Since then he has been playing for several teams in the Süper Lig with his current employer being Alanyaspor. Between 2014 and 2016 he spent two seasons in the Bundesliga at Hannover 96, he scored his only Bundesliga goal in a match against Leverkusen in November 2014. Gülselam made his debut for the Turkish national team in March 2008, when coach Fatih Terim called him up for a friendly against Belarus. His last match took place nearly 11 years ago, he assisted a goal and was sent off shortly afterwards against Armenia.
Age: 29 Position: Right Back Current team: Adana Demirspor National team: Turkey (6 matches, 1 goal) Camdal spent most of his footballing youth in Ingolstadt, playing 8 years for Türkgücü Ingolstadt before going to MTV Ingolstadt at 13 years of age. When they played against 1860 Munich's youth team, the Lions' people in charge were so impressed that they offered Camdal a transfer right after the game. In 2009 he made his debut in the 2. Bundesliga and made several apperances in the senior team until 2011. For the season 2011/12 Süper Lig team Eskisehirspor decided to bring him to Turkey. He spent 3 seasons in Eskisehir before going to Galatasaray where he even got to play in the Champions League. He was loaned back to Eskisehir in 2016/17 but the loan didn't really help him with establishing himself at Gala. After several quarrels his contract was terminated in early 2019 and he went to Antalyaspor for the remainder of the season. Today he plays for Adana Demirspor in the second tier. Camdal played for DFB's under-19 team but later decided to kick the ball for Turkey. His first of six call-ups to the national team was in November 2013 after a strong start of the season with Eskisehirspor. His last match followed about one year later. During his time in the national team he scored one goal in a friendly against Ireland.
Age: 27 Position: Left Midfielder Current team: USV Eschen-Mauren National team: Liechtenstein (5 matches, 0 goals) Ospelt is yet another graduate of FC Bayern's youth where he played up to the under-19s. In 2010 he went to play for FC Buchs and later Young Fellows Juventus in Switzerland's lower leagues. In January 2012 he transferred to USV Eschen-Mauren, a team from Liechtenstein that - like all the outfits from the tiny country - play in the Swiss league system. Liechtenstein's only competition is the Liechtenstein Cup, which Ospelt and his colleagues went on to win in 2012. In 2013 he was picked up by Liechtenstein's best team FC Vaduz where he played until 2018 - with the exception of a short stint at WSG Wattens in Austria in 2016. After taking a short break, Ospelt returned to football in early 2019. He now plays for Eschen-Mauren again, currently in the fourth tier of Swiss football. Ospelt's record for the national team is very weird. His first match was in 2012 against Lithuania, his second and third followed in 2016 and the fourth in 2017. His last appearance to date was last week, when Liechtenstein won 2:0 against powerhouse San Marino. However, Ospelt never started a match, in fact his longest appearance was three minutes long. If you add up all his minutes since he was first called up 8 years ago, you get a whopping NINE minutes of time on the pitch.
Age: 29 Position: Left Winger Current team: FC Bologna National team: Italy (3 matches, 0 goals) Nicola Sansone's career began in Eastern Munich, at SV Neuperlach. He then played for FC Bayern from 2002 until 2011. He made his debut for Bayern's under-23 team in February 2010 when he came on as a substitute for none other than David Alaba. In October 2010 he got to spend 90 minutes on the bench of the Bundesliga squad in a match against Freiburg. From 2011 on he was a Parma player, although he spent his first season on loan at Crotone. He had a decent spell both there and later in Parma which made Sassuolo buy him in early 2014. After two and a half very successful seasons Sansone was picked up by Villareal who paid 13 million € for the German Italian attacker. He had two pretty good seasons in La Liga, however things didn't work any more in 2018/19 which made Bologna loan Sansone during the winter transfer window. He is a key player in their squad ever since as the team from Emilia-Romagna decided to make the deal permanent in the following summer. Sansone never really considered to play for Germany as he played for the Italian junior teams from under-17s up until the under-21s. Thanks to an impressive time at Sassuolo, coach Antonio Conte called Sansone up to the senior team in 2015, when he made his debut as a subsitute against Portugal. He was able to add two more matches to his tally in 2016, the last one being against his country of birth - Germany.
Age: 26 Position: Central Midfielder Current team: SpVgg Unterhaching National team: Georgia (2 matches, 0 goals) Hufnagel's first team was TSV Milbertshofen in the north of Munich. In 2001 he was picked up by FC Bayern where he spent ten years of his early footballing career. In 2011 he went to FC Ingolstadt only to transfer to SpVgg Unterhaching one year later. He slowly established himself as a key player in Unterhaching's senior team which made SC Freiburg sign him for their 2015/16 2. Bundesliga campaign. He got quite a bit of game time, but that changed after Freiburg's promotion in 2016. Hufnagel was demoted to the second team and consequently loaned out to Nürnberg in January 2017. However he failed to leave a real mark there as well and finally returned to Unterhaching in 2018 to play in the 3. Liga. He is a staple in their squad, having played well over 2000 minutes in both of the last two league seasons. Hufnagel never had a real chance to become a German international however he was eligible for Georgia as well because of his Georgian mother. He made his debut in 2015 against Estonia and played another 4 minutes against Serbia in 2017. Before his senior debut he already played some games for the country's junior teams.
Age: 25 Position: Right Back Current team: 1. FC Köln National team: Nigeria (0 matches, 0 goals) Ehizibue was born in Munich to Nigerian parents. When he was two years old, the family moved to Zwolle in the Netherlands. He played for local club CSV '28 before joining PEC Zwolle's youth system from which he later graduated. He made his professional debut in October 2014 in a cup game and played his first Eredivisie game two months later against Willem II. Since 2016 he was a permanent member of the first team and managed to become a key player. In 2019, after their promotion to the Bundesliga, 1. FC Köln picked him up and gave him a chance to shine in the country of his birth. He instantly became Cologne's starting right-back and played in 31 out of 34 possible league games. Ehizibue played one match for the Dutch under-21s in 2016, which remains his only international experience to date. However, Nigeria's coach Gernot Rohr called him up to the Super Eagles' AFCON qualifier against Sierra Leone back in March. But due to the pandemic the fixture is yet to be played.
Age: 28 Position: Right Back Current team: Fatih Karagümrük National team: Turkey (0 matches, 0 goals) Altintay's career began at SC Fürstenfeldbruck, where he stayed until he was 19 years old. After one squeezed in year at FC Bayern under-23s, 2. Bundesliga team Jahn Regensburg picked him up in 2012. He left the Jahn again in 2013 in order to play for Caykur Rizespor in the Süper Lig. He was a regular starter for them and managed to impress the scouts of Osmanlispor who signed him in 2016. He played some matches for the Ankara-based outfit, including one Europa League group fixture, but ultimately failed to establish himself. As a consequence he returned to Rizespor in early 2018 to help them to get back into the Süper Lig after their recent relegation. They indeed clinched promotion but Altintay failed to prove himself again in the following 2018/19 campaign. In September 2019 he joined Fatih Karagümrük and was an important part of their successful 1. Lig campaign. Altintay scored a goal in the promotion play-off semi-finals, Karagümrük went on to win the final in a thrilling penalty shoot-out and get back into Süper Lig after 36 years of absence. After a strong start in 2013 with Caykur Rizespor, Fatih Terim let him join the Turkish national team for two friendlies against Northern Ireland and Belarus in November. However, he didn't get any time on the pitch and was never nominated again.
Age: 26 Position: Goalkeeper Current team: FC Juárez National team: Peru (0 matches, 0 goals) There's not much information about Alejandro Duarte's youth on the internet. With his full name being Alejandro Christoph Duarte Preuss, I reckon that he probably has a German mother. However, he spent his first years as a goalkeeper at the FRAMA football academy in Lima before joining Esther Grande de Bentin, a semi-professional club from the suburbs of the Peruvian capital. In 2010, he returned to Germany to play for Bayer Leverkusen's under 17 team. He left the Werkself again in 2011 and continued to play for Juan Aurich's junior team in Peru before breaking into their senior squad. He made his first league debut in 2013 in a 1:1 draw against Inti Gas. He went on to join Club Cienciano in 2015 and later Deportivo Municipal in 2016 but didn't get much game time at either club. This changed when Duarte was signed by USM Porres in 2017. Duarte finally got to play more games between the sticks which secured him move to Mexico in 2018 when Lobos BUAP decided to sign him. After an unsuccessful stint at the team from Puebla, the keeper joined FC Juárez but was immediately loaned out to Club Atlético Zacapetec in the second league. He was their main goalkeeper, however the club was dissolved and he recently returned to Juárez. Duarte was called up for Peru's friendlies against Croatia and Iceland in March 2018. He wasn't granted any game time however. Thus, his three matches for Peru's under-19s remain his only international appearances.
Age: 23 Position: Goalkeeper Current team: LA Galaxy National team: USA (0 matches, 0 goals) Klinsmann junior was born during his father Jürgen's time at FC Bayern. His mother is an American model. Jonathan shortly lived in Genoa when Jürgen played for Sampdoria before the family moved to California after Jürgen's career. Jonathan started his career as a striker for FC Blades 96 and Irving Lasers. In 2008 he followed his father - who accepted a job as FC Bayern head coach - back to Germany and was retrained into a goalkeeper by FC Bayern's academy. After his return to California, Klinsmann played for Pateadores and Strikers FC in the US Soccer Development Academy. He also represented his high school between 2011 and 2014 and later played for the California Golden Bears, Berkeley university's college team. During the summer of 2017, Klinsmann had several trials at European teams like VfB Stuttgart, West Ham and Everton. After another trial at Hertha BSC, the capital city club signed the American. He played one match for Hertha's senior team - a Europa League fixture against Östersunds FK - and he even saved a penalty. He joined St. Gallen in 2019 where he became the goalkeeper for the Swiss Cup matches. However, he got red carded in the second round and the team got knocked out by FC Winterthur. In August 2020 Klinsmann joined the LA Galaxy. Klinsmann played for various US youth teams before being called up to the senior USMNT in November 2018. He was an injury replacement for Zack Steffen for the team's friendlies against England and Italy but ultimately stayed on the bench.
Age: 20 Position: Central Midfielder Current team: Bregalnica Stip National team: North Macedonia (0 matches, 0 goals) Osmanoski played for 1860 München until he was 13 years old. He then transferred to SpVgg Unterhaching's youth teams and stayed at the club until 2019 when he decided to move to his parents' home country North Macedonia. He now plays for Bregalnica Stip in the Eastern group of the Macedonian second division. They finished the season in second place, barely missing out on promotion. To be honest, I can't tell you much more about his career as he's still very young and there's not that much information on the second tier of Macedonian football. Osmanoski played for several junior national teams of his country and is in fact a current member of the under-20 team. However, he was called up for a friendly of the senior national team in 2017 when he was just 17 years old. Macedonia - back then still without the "North" - won 2:0 against Norway but little Osmanoski did not get any minutes on the pitch with the big guys.
2020.09.15 18:53 Clutch99SEP15 Picks NBA, NHL, MLB, Dana White's Contender Series
NBA 🏀 Celtics ML 🏀 Nuggets ML Why Nuggets? Cause there is only one team in LA. Murray and Jocic get it done tonight. ———————————————— NHL 🏒 Lighting ML ———————————————— MLB ⚾️ White Sox ML ⚾️ Astros ML ⚾️ Reds ML ———————————————— Dana White's Contender Series This is by far the least exciting week in the series. Week 7 we have 5 fights and most of them will be terrible. The fighters line isn't the best, it feels like they just grabbed 10 fighters and decided to make a fight night. I'm only looking forward to watch two fights and intrigued to see the women fight for reasons ill explain below. Featherweight: Dinis Paiva Vs. Kyle Driscoll Paiva is 32 years old standing at 5'9 has 71 inches reach, with a record of 13-7. Paiva shows good wrestling has a good left hand along with a good jab. He's got accurate striking and always is a fast starter. Paiva is a tough guy and has good power in his hands. That being said his TDD needs a lot of work. He tends to overextend a lot. Being the tough guy he is and his tough guy mentality is what makes him take a lot of damage. Most importantly he holds his hands low and I hate that more than I hate the Cleveland Indians lately and Stephen Gostkowski combined together. Driscoll is 26 years old standing at 6'0 reach of 72 inches, with a record of 11-3. Driscoll is a very good wrestler, and has great ground and pound. He's good on his feet as well and has a solid kick. He lacks a lot though. No set-ups what so ever. He gets very frustrated under pressure and will sometime just ride position. Because he is a good wrestler he always keeps going for take downs and forcing the fight on the ground even if it isn't working so basically like Fred Vanvleet shooting 3/12 threes in one game. I wouldn't touch this since the only offers are winners and not lines like go the distance, or how will the fight ends etc etc. If i had to choose ill go with Driscoll cause fuck the Cleveland Indians and Gostkowski. Don't think any fighter will be awarded a contract. Featherweight: Taneisha Tennant Vs. Danyelle Wolf Wolf is 37 UNRANKED, Zero MMA experience standing at 5'11 with a reach of 70 inches. She was on MTV's show 'Next" ya that's right the cringey dating show. She is three-time boxing champion in USA Boxing National Champion in the women's welterweight division. According to her she's been traing with a lot of big gyms like Kings MMA, Alliance MMA, City Kick Boxing, Black House, Tiger Muay Thai, Floyd Mayweather gym, and the Diaz brothers Boxing Gym. I watched some tape of her boxing fights, I saw that she has fast hands and attacks the body a lot. Doesn't pillar behind her forearms like some boxers tend to do and she strikes effectively while backing up. Taneisha Tennant is 31 years-old stand at 5’7″ with a reach of 72 inches. she had a good powerful right hand that comes with a nice jab. Very solid counter striker and has good movement and footwork. From the tapes I watched she has amazing head movement along with dodging shots and returning them. Guys I just wanna see wtf is gonna happen here. I would be an asshole if i recommend either fighters to bet on. Keep in in mind the odds just came out a couple of hours ago and Tennant is the underdog! So Vegas must see something in Wolf that I don't see. I bet Wolf will gets a contract if she wins by whatever outcome even if it was the most boring fight to watch. Why? Cause who doesn't like watching a good looking woman fight. Shout out to PVZ. Welterweight: Michael Lombardo Vs. Korey Kuppe Lambardo is 30-years-old standing at 6’0 with a reach of 74 inches. He's got good grappling along with good chain wrestling. His timing on take downs is absolutely phenomenal. He's also a good wrestler. His TDD needs some work, his pace will slow through out the fight and gotta work on his skills when he's on his back. Kuppe is 31-years-old standing at 6’5 with 75 inches of reach. He's a submission threat no doubt, very good off his back and kicks well when he's on his plus with his height hes got long legs he's Jiu-Jitsu skills are decent. He gets way too comfortable when he's on his back and that backfires usually, unless your opponent cant wrestle at all. The guy is very wreckless when he's coming forward and his TDD doesn't exist. He's demonstrates my 2 most hated things in fighting: hold his hands low like he's walking his dog on the beach AND his chin is always in the air. I like Lamabrdo better in this fight. Don't think any of them will get a contract. Featherweight: Collin Anglin Vs. Muhammadjon Naimov Anglin is 27 years old standing at 5’9. Shows excellent use of feints. He has good kicks and his shot selection is good. He moves his feet well. He's got good power overall. He tends to start his fights slow and from what i saw he throws single strikes its like he's allergic to combos and you guessed it he keeps his hands low. Naimov is 26-years-old standing at 5'9. This guy got great kick boxing skills and excellent kicks. He's very strong in the clinch and he's so hard to read. His skills diversity allows him to keep switching from punching to kicking to grappling. The only thing i noticed is he'll take damage to give some back right away. I like Naimov better. Middleweight: Jordan Williams Vs. Gregory Rodrigues Jordan Williams 29 years old standing at 6’0 with 76 inches of reach. He has a solid ground and pound game, very powerful hands, great jab and throws some nice combos. He outshines his opponent in scrambles and shows excellent skills and performs great on top. This guy is like the Energizer bunny he's constantly active. He's gotta work on his head movement and i noticed he tends so slow down late round 2 till the end of the fight. Rodrigues is 28 years old standing at 6'2 with a 76 inch reach and on a 6 fight win streak. This guy has excellent BJJ skills. He's a very strong wrestler and specializes in tripping his opponent in the clinch. He hits very very hard and has a deadly right hand needless to say he's an excellent submission artist. His head movement doesn't exist at all Im not kidding its like his head welded to his neck and shoulders and his cardio needs improvement. I like Rodrigues but if there is an opponent that can go toe to toe with his its Jordan Williams. I hate betting against Brazilian fighters and this will be Williams third attempt at getting a contract and hate to admit it but he could be the upset of the night so Im gonna sit back and watch a good fight. Winner should get a contract 100%. Guys Iv'e been doing this for a while and never seen such coin flips fights like tonight. The only fighters i like and I'm confident in are Driscoll and Naimov. Other than that its very close. ———————————————— DM me for my Discord as I'm not allowed to post the link here. ———————————————— BOL LADIES AND DEGENS Edit: Nuggets not clippers
2020.09.15 00:52 Sanity0004Rivals III from a first time viewer.(Part 11: Jesus, I didn't think my hate for Johnny could go any higher)
I'll be honest. I'm not exactly looking forward to Rivals. What I would call Rivalry's, or worthy of calling a rivalry, have been either pretty tame or pretty rare. The season's have been on a pretty downward spin with the casting being low caliber and not much competition when it comes to actual challenges. Anyways, this is my eleventh go-around, if you want to check out my thoughts on other seasons check out my submissions. As I get close to caught up with CBS All Access I'm thinking more and more about a finale type post to follow the seasons of a whole bunch of rankings and thoughts on the show overall as I was going through it. If you have any ideas for random rankings you'd like to see that I might not have thought of, just let me know in the comments. EP 1: Wes and Bananas this time around? Fucking Vince... It's weird they're listing "championships" with the confessionals? Bananas has 5? Johnny Reilly is back again? Didn’t Exes prove that he was worthless and got lucky with his first season? I'm actually surprised Nany has only been on five seasons. It feels like more. They brought Christina back after one episode? What? just because she hooked up with someone immediately? Sarah's back? I honestly thought she was done the way she was talking on Exes. Johnny saying someone else is playing dirty is hilarious. Only because it was against him. Well this Ashley chick looks like a fucking wreck. I'm fine with seeing Kellyanne again. Jenna again! They really see more out of her than I do. Kinda surprised to see Avery and Jessica back. Those are two people I didn't expect to see again. Fucking Dario, guess we know Vince's rival. Thomas, Cory, and Leroy. Ok, I'm honestly not hating this cast so far. Thom now changes the story to making out. Fitting with the narrative Cara was pushing lmao I'm not hating the rookies either. This cast has potential. Nicole, Jamie and Vince walked in. I changed my mind. Well we needed some fodder I guess. I can't wait to see Vince prove he's the worst. I'm so goddamn tired of Johnny's speeches. I'm not liking how many people of Johnny's inner circle there are this season. Camila, Nany, Vince, Leroy, Johnny, Jenna, who knows how many other ties he made in the off season or how the rivals of those people will feel. I feel like Johnny would be the quenticiential pregamer. Any time anyone even has the potential of getting on the show I feel like he's probably chatting them up and trying to get friendly with them before the show even starts. Jenna's butt has returned to the screen after being absent for a season. Nicole's cartoon makeup has returned. These AYTO people are dumb lmao, trying to talk strategy right by the pool in front of everyone haha These fucks have no chance. I don't know what this AYTO show is but they need to stop looking to it for casting. You don't jump, you don't get on the season. Make it the rule! Is Sarah's rival Johnny? Are they doing a guy/girl rivals? "Mexico's an island right?" I remember why Jenna is here. Was honestly anticipating Wes and Johnny being forced to work together. I'd be fine with opposite sex rivals if they did something similar to Bloodlines of the two teams structure. Think there was a lot of potential there that got screwed by so many early exits that forced alliances so quickly. The lengths they go to fill these 'rivalries' is hilarious. "He disrespected your little sister...one night...the first day of the previous season." Say any negative word about someone in a confessional one time. Producers: "Such rivalry!" The first time Wes gets a female partner that isn't terrible? Better than Mandi and Casey at least. Cory and Ashley seems like a trainwreck waiting to happen. I kinda like this Briana chick. Johnny is really stuck on the red hair and freckles Jessica is cute as hell, but her mouth is sooooooo damn big. Leroy tries to calm down Simone for a single second and then walks away like "nevermind" hilarious. Fucking Tony Ashley gets turned on by people fighting. "Smashley" Ok Cory is pretty funny. This season is actually off to a pretty good start. Like the top tiny section of this house looks like it's the same size as the first Fresh Meat house all together lol These houses just get bigger and bigger. Least it's not a bunch of bunk beds this season. They only have like 4 different color jerseys this season? Couldn't try for more disparity? Oh Nicole's makeup....oh oh oh. Girl... Jessica's fall was scary as hell, Nicole fell like 5 inches. I have a feeling this challenge isn't regulated by height like Survivor does. Nany didn't even have to let go of the side rail to grab the first skull, and here Simone is struggling to even get the first lmao Vince overcoming his challenge terrible-ness on the first challenge? This will just completely inflate his ego. Sarah being Johnny's best partner? I feel like Camila and Sarah would be a pretty good comparison. I think Camila is underrated. Johnny just throwing it because Vince won and he gets a chance to let Sarah fall. Sounds just like Johnny. Camila is a badass, I just think her partner is going to end up sucking. I'm predicting Johnny/Jessica being first Eliminated. No matter who their contender is. Johnny showed on Exes he was bad. Man, we're getting to the point where even premieres don't have a full challenge and elimination in them without getting a to be continued?! EP 2: Episode starts with “Champ is here” yeah definitely doing wonder for Vinces ego Sounds like Leroy has a bruised tailbone I really don’t want to see Johnny R again. Please go. You suck, a Bananas puppet and you got second by almost pure luck. “Super twisty!” What a tease! /s I actually like Leroy but would like him more if he wasn’t dumb and best buds with Bananas Everyone keeps trying to talk about this skydiving haha shut up “The little sex cops” ok I’m a Jenna fan Tony not taking any advice at all and not taking it slow at all. Tony, still a mess confirmed. At least Jess is calling things off before anything happens unlike Cara. Leroy No! That’s a bummer. Silver lining is it hurts Johnny's numbers. Oh shit. Two pairs going in? So much for telling that rookie couple they were safe haha Oh stuck with their word. Good for them. Would have been a second easy pick. Inner rookie drama is least interesting drama Cory is so damn horny for this girl. All these times Johnny is seeing Jessica go home. Know what he’s not seeing? Johnny, doing anything other than a final. Bananas losing Leroy and Johnny in the first go would be a dream come true lol Darn! Jess carried Johnny to a win. “I understand the nuances now.” Dude you’re going first after like 3 days here you learned nothing. EP 3: Replacements? Hmmm Please send in Abram and Cara! Haha Smashley looks smashed and trashed. Good god. Watching Camila of all people trying to rationalize with a crazy drunk is giving me life right now haha Smashley about to hulk smash haha “piss in your pants bitch!” I’m kinda liking Cory a lot so far this season. Hahahahaha she goes to Jamie afterwards and asks HIM why HE is pissed?!? Hahaha “You don’t want people to talk about you, don’t give them something to talk about” Simone, girl, preach! It’s going to be nobody again isn’t it? TJ turning around and looking like he’s trying to find them just seems like peak bad TJ acting. More rookies? That was a let down. I would have rather had no one. Oh the elim winner picks order. Interesting change that I’m ok with. This challenge reminds me so much of the older school style of challenges. I’m all for that. “I’ve been practicing with Jamie all week.” I puked in my mouth a bit. Wes looks tired instantly. He coming in a bit out of shape? Why is she moaning? Hahahaha Maybe the funniest challenge. Oh never mind Wes is being smart. What the hell kinda quesadilla is spicy? Simones asshole feels like a spicy quesadilla... I don’t like the game getting more twisty! Every time I get just a tiny glimpse of Christina I either think Casey or Melinda is on the season. She’s like a weird amalgamation of the two. Johnny trashing Wes and Simone defending him lol “I carried her ass to the end” you were gone like fifth what are you talking about? Lmao “I would have never done that.” I would have had Leroy or Jenna/Jay do it for me. So I can still claim I was loyal. Wes looking at the camera and saying “this happens all the time” after Simone walks away mad is fucking hilarious. This Tony dude is always getting in arguments with girls. There is something with him. Always. All this fighting because he asked what season of a show she was from lol EP 4: This season going fast. I’m enjoying the hell out of this season so far. I haven’t said it yet but I’m kind of shocked Jamie is back. That dude was literally invisible last season. Every time he appeared on screen I was confused for like 3 minutes pricing together who he was. Simone going home with a torn butthole is a new one. “How is a butthole going to send me home?!” Nicole is so much cuter without all the makeup. Quit it chick! They really went all out in this house party. Dang. Here comes Camilinater! Camila, you could just approach it calmly and say no that didn’t happen and then try to see who said it. But to flip out right away just comes off as defensive. “I’m going home” this is not the Camila I know. Now she’s crying? You’re really taking on the Robin vibes as of late. Kellyanne, you can’t keep saying be quiet and trying to be quiet and not seeming suspicious. It’s on its way to getting resolved and Nicole calls Camila crazy lol good people skills I’m glad these rookies don’t seem to awful this season. Haha I love how these rookie AYTO players are having a meeting talking about allegiances and Wes is just quietly in the middle of them barely even being shown on camera lol Arguing about which show is better haha “You’re on a dating show! Shut the fuck up!” Lol This new freckle chick is coming in wanting to get under everyone’s skin. If only she was good at challenges she’d be my new favorite cast member. Since when do they have security?!?! I think Camila just wants to kiss the freckle girl. Lol Quittin bitch! I was liking Brianna. Jennas cousins namesake didn’t not chew bugs and end up finishing the final for you to quit on another girl named Brianna the following season because you had a case of the sads. How dare you! So many people standing there look like they want to punch the dude lol I feel like Brianna could be back. I feel like Johnny and Wes are working together this season on the sly. They’re always close together during the comps talking and when Reilly got to decide order he put Wes in the second group. Oh oh oh Ashley got caught on a rope or something. Wow that’s definitely a production fuck up. Ouch. At least Dario isn’t talking as much shit this season. How are you gonna end on a cliffhanger on Camilas normal looking fall when Smashley looked like she was about to lose a damn arm?! EP 5: Tony sucks. I feel bad for Camila lol Amanda the new mouth of the house? Talks shit and falls right away. God I hate everyone names Johnny. Please be reilly/Jessica please please please. Yes!!! Please get eliminated now. Smashley it’s probably not a good idea to tell your partner you want to throw in his number one ally lol Camila flipping out from someone playing the he said she said game and then turning around and playing the he said she said game lol I feel like this is being said to possibly sway smashley/Cory to not vote any vets in elim but the editing isn’t doing it justice. “You know why you ripped your ass?! Cause you’re a weak ass!!” Line of the season. “Just go back to....hell bitch” phew that was close. Held my breath for a second. I don’t know how the sliding glass doors on this show don’t break. They get slammed every season constantly. EP 6: “Who? Her?” No, Cory, Camila is drunkenly yelling at you two about someone else… “Literally never have I wanted someone and NOT gotten with that person.” What a weird creepy ass thing to say Devin… Damn Smashley, Yeah Simone was so in the wrong saying Jamie shouldn’t trust her lol Not really a mini final, but this challenge of completing tasks and climbing repeated walls sounds great. Brains or balls, way to start. Did Vince seriously just smash the brain and basically smush it against his face barely actually getting any in his mouth? Everyone puking, Jamie just calmly chewing. I swear Vince just basically cheated that eating part. He literally smashed it up and had like half of it plastered to his hand and just shows his empty mouth and walks on. With the size of that rope you really think the lasso choice wouldn’t be that hard. Camila with tries on her head and on each arm. Never let it be understated that Camila is kind of a beast. They took the wrong mattress haha Jeez, Wes and Nany seem so far behind. Now someone loses their token? Lol I love this challenge. Eat cake, or go naked….wow “This is not a good day to be a ginger.” I’m so tired of hearing Johnny whine about this shit. Literally two seasons of Johnny fucking over friends, but please, lets whine about the one time you got screwed over by a friend two seasons ago. Devin comes up like “You need me to bend over too?” Wants to throw in Wes. We just ignoring the long history of being outside friends with Nany? Not even going to talk about who Wes’ partner is? Just putting in Wes, that’s all that’s said lol of course. Fucking over friends at the end to get money, jesus christ that’s wrong! Fucking over a friend simply because their partner is a nemesis? Easy peasy. I feel like MTV and the editors are literally helping Johnny just shy away from his faults or issues. That Nany is never referenced or even talked about? For all the time Wes was the hot head, he always seems to be the first on the scene of trying to break fights up or stop them from happening. You get a pass, you get a pass. Everyone gets a pass! Oh shit, Tony and Camila. Camila, you didn’t do it on purpose, but it was clearly asked multiple times did anyone grab one that wasn’t theirs. You had the chance to bring it up. You remember it so clearly suddenly? Surprised Johnny even spoke the name Nany. Isn’t that a friend Johnny? Camila still bitching. You had multiple times to bring up that you picked it up and you didn’t. “Emotional abuse.” hahaha Wait...Camila and Tony are Wes’ number one alliance? Pulling an audible and leaving it up to the skulls to determine safety? Every skull pull has had the three white skulls pulled first. EP 7: Oh Tony, you’re going down a bad road. Step away slowly. Devin, drunk and blowing his game? Lol Kellyanne coming in with a stinger “Shouldn’t you be home?” If precedence means anything, Cory will get a pass. Producers actually breaking up an argument seems weird lol A fight? Yeah, obviously. But producers telling Devin to stop antagonizing Cory and people, seems weird. Angry drunkenness everywhere. Nany seems out of it, and they get a single one lol Yeah, Smashley seems like someone that would drive a car through a house. Nate and Christina seemed to grab red and yellow by basically just falling on the poles. That….can’t be a valid run lmao Kellyanne and Jamie just basically walked off the platform I wanted to know what the tiebreaker would have been. Camila handled the social situation by basically coming out and saying “All teams matter” lmao “Yes I took your token, but what happened to us was unfair too!” Not gonna lie, I’m liking Nelson and freckle chick. Coming straight down to eat and saying don’t fuck around, throw in the vets! Camila is seriously trash at even attempting to accept any kind of blame lmao They throw in the only two people going to them and saying not to be stupid? You idiots throw in other damn rookies? You idiots. Freckle girl talking truth. These people will slit your throat the next week. TJ asked if anyone took the token and they didn’t say a peep. Finally the black skull is actually pulled. Ice baths make a return! You couldn’t put it in a freezer? Challenge going bitch mode confirmed. Jamie and Kellyanne as a collective may actually be dumber than Jenna. Jenna has actually completely disappeared from the last couple episodes. I spoke too soon about Jenna disappearing. Random confessional basically calling Jamie/Kellyanne dumb. “My weiner hurts.” “You call it a weiner?” These wood blocks are going to need to be used to make boxes or something. THe rookies seem completely unfazed by the water. Kellyanne and Jamie win by copying. Bummer. I kind of liked freckle chick who I can never remember her name. Nelson seemed kind of invisible. EP 8: Lot more partying this season than the last couple I feel. I don’t know what it is, but Cory and Cheyanne seem so boring. THey keep seeming to build it up, but it’s repetitive and just kinda goes nowhere? Tony really just seems to have problems with females in general. That’s basically all he gets in arguments with, and always has issues with. He gets drunk and then rants and raves about women. I think I hate Vince more than Johnny lol At least Johnny is interesting for the game. Johnny going to get Tony to shut Camila up. What in the fuck kind of psychological fucking warfare is this?! That’s literally just trash. You’re the dude who has a long fucking history with the chick, and you go grab the guy who has fought with her all season and tells her to shut her up. Now Tony is literally in Camila’s face and pinning her to the wall? I’m sure Johnny will catch nothing for this… Johnny just conveniently invisible when shit blows up. Oh shit.. Producers asking if he remembers being woken up? They’re acknowledging that he was PLACED in that situation? His warning wasn’t acknowledged when Cory went at Devin? Seems sus… I seriously can’t understate how shitty Johnny was in this situation. He literally just used oil to, in his words, “put out a fire” and basically put a long time friend in a really shitty situation and then just disappears while shit hits the fan. Damn, Smashley still has big as scars under her arms from the ropes in that challenge. “One can argue, I’m a little responsible” Fuck off Johnny, you knew full fucking well what you were doing. I would fully believe Tony has some domestic violence calls in his history or future. I love the spur of the moment things like this. Keep them on their toes. I am all for this challenge. Basically just endurance and will. They’ve all but eliminated these types of challenges in Big Brother and Survivor purely for time and scheduling. “A thousand dollars, that means a thousand cheeseburgers, I need that money!” They’re going to ask questions about their interruptions, I just know it and I absolutely love it. “I think it’s only been an hour and I’m already going crazy” (Ten minutes later) I’m assuming this was some kind of editing mess up and they actually meant only ten minutes have elapsed and it’s making fun of Jenna thinking it’s been an hour. Because otherwise the ten minutes later was pointless and nothing happened afterward. Smashley of all people queueing in on picking up the details? Kind of surprising. We don’t get enough of Wes’ sense of humor. Hope it’s not crucial that you know that number was definitely NOT on the gas tank lol Vince, you weird creepy fuck. I’m just going to take this opportunity of being on a box with a girl to need to hang on her and touch her as much as possible. Christina like 5 hours in thinking about paying attention just now… I hate Bananas, but I can’t help but have respect for a guy that instantly evokes David Bowie in Labyrinth when a guy comes out doing some fushigi shit with a glass ball. OK Johnny doing TJ impressions is great. I feel like Jenna is going to come in and Rainman this shit lmao Awww you end just as it gets to the actual puzzle? Damn you. EP 9: Dario a dumbass? Shocker Actually surprised by Sarah and Bananas winning, the way it was edited made it seem like Sarah was paying attention to the wrong details. Jeesh, it comes down to Wes/Nany and Nicole/Dario. Why are they just sitting there doing nothing?! Bananas saying they want Nicole/Dario to lose so they can vote in Wes makes no real sense. If they vote them in they have a chance to pull white skulls and not even go into the elim. Wouldn’t you want a better chance of them going home? Oh yay, Johnny gets to take his cousin on a trip. I seriously can’t take the daily check ins with Sarah and Johnny repairing their bullshit. Sarah being gaslighted in to thinking she “stole” a win from Johnny, and now wants to “pay him back” is fucking depressing. It’s like her working with Kenny in Fresh Meat 2, after she got bullied endlessly in Ruins, all over again. Of any boat trip to be on, this would be my absolute last choice. Jamie and Kellyanne whining about not being selected lmao Kellyanne talking fucking facts! Amen!!! “Johnny will never throw a guy friend under the bus, but he will throw any girl friends name out. But if a girl friend backstabs him, like Sarah did, they become rivals.” AMEN sister. Wes, you’re talking to a brick wall of people who either suck, or just had a chance of putting Johnny in and put their own alliance members in instead. Why is Devin randomly called “Gronk” at one point? Why did the cast on Free Agents have the real nice Challenge Jerseys, but they still just went back to plain t-shirts after that? Was thinking they moved on to nice “uniforms” Should have had some distance between the two yellers. This is pure insanity TJ looks like he’s facepalming in the background this entire elim lol Wes had an easy time as soon as Jamie wasn’t just holding him the whole time. Hey look, Johnny talking about winning with grace. Literally the dude that hoots and hollers every single time he wins. I swear I would hate this guy near as much if he just didn’t have confessionals. He’s such a two faced hypocrite as soon as he talks in confessionals. His confessionals do him a disservice. Johnny talking to Vince about someone else playing on borrowed time is amazingly oblivious. EP 10: Oh god Johnny talking about a final being a real final when you go against strong teams. Fuck off Johnny. “Guys! I miss Sarah!” Ok, Johnny can be funny Cory talking about timing lol what in the hell are you trying to talk about Cory? Lol You’re so bad at the politics I think I’ve actually seen this challenge of digging up partners but it was at the very beginning of a season. I keep waiting to see it, but I don’t think it’s this one. Wes putting Cory back in this comp shows that he smartly knows he’s probably not reliable. Nate literally saying his strategy is wanting to be a layup for Bananas and coming in third place lmao These fuckers are depressing. Wes was on a roll, but he’s absolutely blown this Wes bobbing up and down in excitement after Nicole/Dario win lol Half of Christinas answers were really fucking dumb lol Nate’s strategy of wanting to be a layup to Bananas is the worst fucking joke though lmao Nicole, I feel like you could have phrased this a tiny bit better than talking about Cory making deals with Wes. Dario then talks to Wes about wanting to throw in Cory. Nicole, you dumbass. Dario and Nicole are not fucking good at this game lol jesus christ Nicole is just blindly sitting by and watching Nany get fucked right now lol Dario’s game plan: Let’s call over Johnny and Sarah and present our asshole for them and hope they feel gracious later on. Jesus, people Nicole and Dario may seriously be dumber than Vince/Jenna Nicole...what point of view? Seriously. One guy had a conversation with another guy weeks ago so suddenly everything is null and void? Lmao what are these people talking about? Cory is the one that’s wanting to play both sides, but somehow Wes/Nany and Devin/Cheyanne are the bad guys? This really just comes to me as Dario being afraid of going against Bananas and Vince and just trying to do anything to rationalize it. EP 11: Devin looks like a robot when he does his 3 clap thing. Like his hand is at an exact right angle and stiff as can be. Oh yeah, midevil torture, lets go! I have way more faith in Smashley holding on to a bar than Christina. Smashley being a complete disappointment, damn Cory again, is fake muscle. Is Cory the second coming of Ty? Complete exhaustion with the least amount of effort. Cory and Smashley an utter disappointment. That was depressing to watch. I knew Cory has like a quarter tank of gas, but Smashley was impressing most of the season. The downside of Nany and Wes right now is literally that they’re not trying to sit Nicole/Dario down and talk rationally to them. The way they continue to come off is emotional and spastic just because they got screwed over, but I feel it’d go over a lot better if they just talked about what actually took place and how it was nothing. Vince...is just terrible. News alert: Vince is terrible at challenges, remember he THREW all those challenges on Bloodlines, he definitely didn’t suck. Trust his cousin, Johnny. Johnny benefiting greatly from Sarah, he barely even has to jump getting on or off the bag. Johnny having to rely on these shitty rookies not sucking is my favorite thing ever. I hate how many of these dumbasses say “Fustrated” Not really dominant TJ, they got one extra flag? Wait, wait. How are these people EVER pulling out the black skull. I feel like this was the first time actually seeing a good glimpse of all the skulls and the other skulls have triangles cut out of the skulls and the black one has semi-circles. I knew there had to be a difference with how often it’s come down to the last draw, but this seems so dumb. I feel like this is just going to be another season where Wes or Johnny goes right before the final and the one remaining is the clear winner in the final. I love that this elim started with Nate and christina talking about being great in pressure, but what does them in is Nates patience and getting frustrated. I’m fine being back in the days of Wes vs everyone. Wes is more entertaining in this seat than Johnny is. Every season, without fail. “Where is it at?” EP 12: Wait, I thought they broke up? Oh jesus. Zach ghosts Jenna while she’s on The Challenge? Woooooow Zach, you were already a misogynist douchebag, but damn dude. Oh god, Devin wanting to pull a Jordan lmao Ugh, I hate seeing a challenge and instantly know that Johnny and Sarah have an advantage. “It’s like having a giant condom on you” You could have literally hindered Johnny/Sarah by like 5 minutes and I still would have bet on them over everyone in that challenge from the start. I hope to see a repeat of Dario being absolutely terrible in an elim. Jesus christ, do we literally have to hear about Johnny possibly not being over Sarah playing the game, every god damn episode? He is literally just piling on over and over again on Sarah. It’s gross. I like how Johnny passes it off as carrying Vince AND Jenna knowing damn well it’s all Vince bringing that pair down. Vince is the new Dunbar or Tyrie. Devin being 4 for 4 on the skulls. Nany, just think of Nicole's eyebrows and imagine yourself beating something off of her face. I hope we don’t get a repeat of the last time Wes was in something physical and confrontational. I miss roid rage Wes. Jesus Wes, that was terrible. This and the Hall Brawl elim versus Leroy is an absolute horrible back to back showing by Wes. That blows. That had nothing to do with Nany not pushing Nicole. Wes you blew a big lead and were slow as shit in the crawl. Welp, Johnny and Sarah have handedly won the season. Wes was probably the only one that would win a challenge to even put him in and none of these guys are going to beat them in a final. Jenna looking confused: “We’re getting ready for the final right now?” Jenna, you are a treasure. Johnny knowing it bothers her, and continually using it is definitely Johnny harkening back to his Kenny/Evan days. This should bother Sarah more than anything, because she saw those tactics in their prime. At this point I just want to hear a single person on this cast saying “frustrating” the right way. Sarah just sitting around eating while her two main ally’s continue to dole out what she has dealt with from the same people in the past is really hard to take. Especially when it includes picking on the only black girl by calling her a stereotypical name that they know bothers her. Making someone want to leave, from the same person whos cousin earlier almost fought someone for calling him a bitch, and he passed it off as bitch gaming to get him out of the house. I can not take the Johnny hypocrisy. EP 13: Sarah DEFENDING it. Ugggggh Jenna and Sarah just trying to stay quiet and let the two guys be trash. Glad you could get your friend back Sarah Jenna and Sarah just passing off Devin being mad because he’s going to go home is some serious groupthink mentality in these games. Where you can tell Johnny has just repeated it enough times that they just accept that to just nullify any right Devin/Cheyanne have to being angry. I’m suddenly back to the Ruins days where the people at the end just disgust me and I hate the second to last episode because it’s just everyone ganging up on one person or team. Vince is a scumbag, fuck everything. Johnny starting the morning saying this is nothing and everyone deals with it. FUCK out of here. This one sequence is really just bringing this whole season crashing and burning down for me. You can see the instant disgust on Johnny knowing his whole game comes down to drawing random straws lmao Hahaha, please be Johnny vs Vince. Please please please please Jenna being 3 for 3 for finals. Wow No trivia this season, I just realized Wow, these are literally the easiest of these style of riddles “These young players keep testing me.” Really Johnny? You kind of coasted to this point.You consistently have the best partner any time you come in to a partners game. That they’re struggling on Top Secret is crazy. These are literally some of the most basic ones of these idiom riddles that I’ve seen. At least the best team isn’t getting knocked out right before the finale. I would have been fine with Dario or Vince going right here. I fucking hate Vince. Hopefully this final is better than last seasons lackluster affair. Don’t feel too bad about being here by luck Devin. Johnny’s been back 2 seasons on pure luck. Vince is here purely by association. Them talking shit about Jenna being a hinderence in the final is hilarious, since she wasn’t the one to quit on her first, and she led her second one all the way to the point of something her and her tiny cousin couldn’t really do. I don’t even mean the food either. They struggled because the rowing and they had tiny ass arms. I would not be surprised if Sarah and Johnny were the only people to complete the final. A twist wholly set up for Johnny to fuck over Sarah. Sarah is literally staring down Johnny because you know she is expecting it. Johnny not even looking at Sarah and only saying history could repeat itself, just shows me that he’s thinking the exact same thing. If anything I hope Jenna fucks over Vince. Of course, Johnny just avoids even talking about it. He won’t just say yes. Haha Johnny is a shit bag. EP 14: Johnny : “If anyone has to worry, it’d be me. You’ve done it in the past.” Says the guy that’s literally fucked over every girl he’s aligned with. Hey, a Survivor style puzzle lol The slat puzzle I honestly would have pulled an audible as the judge and allowed Johnny’s finish of the puzzle being upside down. It was together in the right order. It was just upside down. It’s still completed. Johnny and Sarah’s confessionals sound like they’re trying to convince each other that they’re not planning on taking the money lol I don’t know why it just hit me, but Devin reminds me so much of Big Head from Silicon Valley “Could you go to sleep?” “Probably” Jenna’s brain default setting is literally off, she’s good. Johnny is the king of projection. Let’s look at Cheyanne and say she’s only doing it for the points, knowing damn well you just talked about the 2 points being pivotal lol “I feel like I can trust him. Yeah, I can trust him!” Famous last words Sarah I wonder how much TJ hates having to sit there while these people puke? 20 minute penalty seems nuts. Wasn’t one of the most recent finals have like a 3 minute penalty? Lmao Vince’s sucking finally coming to the surface! I love it! Watching Sarah cough all over the place is hard to watch in current times To compare working as a team and then taking all the money for yourself, to putting a different team in an elimination right before the final is a bit of a stretch Johnny. Yeah, Johnny’s not a piece of shit at all lol Yes Sarah, he just manipulated you the entire time. Don’t sit here and let him compare this to what you did. Fuck that. I’m glad to be vindicated in my Johnny hate. EP 15(Reunion): I hope everyone at this finale laughs at Sarah for ever thinking this wouldn’t happen. You had the history right before your eyes all season. You had two past partners and friends that had nothing to do with him on this very season. Hahaha Johnny trying to pass this off as anything like Sarah putting his team in to elimination is hilarious. Oh here we go with Johnny’s usual argument. “How many finals have you been to?” You’ve literally had one of the top 2 or 3 partners every season dude. I’m with Sarah, get the fuck out of there. Fuck this gaslighting prick. Comparing him fucking over his partner taking any chance she had at money and comparing that to putting two people in to an elimination is just a sick joke. The only thing that makes them remotely similar is they both involved Johnny. Hey Johnny going for reinforcement from guys he worked with. Whoa what is new? I’m really getting to the point of hating these reunions and how no one says shit in defense of anyone. It’s like everyone is so afraid of Johnny they won’t say shit. I would have honestly not doubted that Bananas knew about that twist the whole entire season. How is Devin literally the only sane person on this stage? You can’t call shit on Devin, when Johnny’s repeated total strategy is never going to an elim. You can’t then be mad at a team avoiding it constantly. Someone else who did the same thing literally became your biggest ally. I never want to see Vince again. Quit trying to talk up Vince, we saw all of last season and this season. Vince sucks. Jenna carried that partnership. This final and reunion back to back has given me a migraine. Ewww, Vince and Camila. Eww The weird denial following this is weird. Were they in there doing coke? There’s something definitely sketchy there, if they didn’t fuck. Ok, I’m for this host. She ain’t backing down and letting Camila run it. Even when Johnny is randomly asking people on the street he can't help but frame the question in his favor and it still doesn't come out like he wanted lmao Overall Thoughts: Honestly, this season was great, but was almost hard to watch with the last couple episodes leading in to the final. The severe lack of competition makes the whole seasons basically rely on one or two main occurrences or eliminations and suddenly the rest of the season falls in line. As soon as Wes was gone, the season was decided. Not necessarily that Wes would win the final, but Wes was likely the only other person that would win over Banana's and Sarah and actually put Johnny in or beat Johnny in an elimination. I hate Johnny and I think I hate Vince even more because he talks just as much shit, but has done literally nothing. I'm still waiting for a single redeeming quality for Johnny to pop it's head out. Where were all the people throughout these posts that would not understand where the Johnny hate was coming from? It has literally only gotten worse! That being said. I think Sarah basically played herself. It was Kenny all over again when he bullied her incessantly on The Ruins and then they went in to Fresh Meat 2 and basically the first words out of Sarah's mouth was that Kenny was her number one. To ever think you had anything to earn back from Johnny or to ever think he would suddenly have your back again is 100% on you. I still think Johnny did a supremely fucked up thing and him trying to compare it to what Sarah did was disgusting. It would have been 10 times better if he just walked out and said "Yeah, I did it. Fuck off" but the fact that he tries to validate it and he has to have people agree with him and be ok with it is what pisses me off. Either be the fucking bad guy or own up to the fact that you're a piece of shit you can't just do all these shitty things and act like you're above it all and you're only doing what you have to do. You're gross. You're a hypocrite and you're the fucking king of gaslighting, and I thought that before this fucking season. There was not a single fucking episode that went by that you couldn't bring up time and time again how you think you still weren't over what Sarah did. You kept building it up and up like it was the worst betrayal in the history because you just had to hold that over Sarah's head. You're a sick fucking dude. I am seriously on the edge of my seat just waiting for a single redeeming aspect of him to appear to understand even the slightest of fans.
2020.09.04 22:43 SlayQueenTFCTFCORG Casting Calls! Looking for new players for an upcoming season!
Hey everyone! The reason I’m here is to find new players to play in the 13th season of The Fandom Challenge (TFC) that has a tentative start date of October 26, 2020. Based off of MTV's The Challenge series, the game itself tests players mobile gaming skills, typing skills, social networking, general knowledge, etc. The majority of the game is spent on Discord. The upcoming season will be our 19th season (13 main seasons and 6 spin off seasons). We have a community of 115+ unique players who have competed in at least one season, but the majority have competed it multiple seasons. We even have a virtual currency in place called Kudo Points that players can win during final challenges. To learn more about the series you can visit this site: https://the-fandom-challenge-org.fandom.com/wiki/General_Info Each season we cast about 20-24 players and the format can vary from individual, paired teams, two large teams or a combination just so we can keep things fresh. Each season has its own pages that tracks games played, elimination progression and numerous others states depending on the format. Every player is also given their own casting pages that tracks their missions wins, elimination wins or losses, kudo points won, what seasons they’ve played in, etc. If this is something that you might be interested in please feel free to reach out to me with more questions. Also check out our Fandom site and scope things out, and everyone is more than welcome to join our discord if you want to watch things Live. Discord server: https://discord.gg/aQqMzVv Fandom Site: https://the-fandom-challenge-org.fandom.com/wiki/The_Fandom_Challenge_ORG_Wiki Apply to play: https://forms.gle/Qo5hmWHwN13LzHCE8
2020.09.04 22:42 SlayQueenTFCTFCORG Casting Calls! Looking for new players for an upcoming season!
Hey everyone! The reason I’m here is to find new players to play in the 13th season of The Fandom Challenge (TFC) that has a tentative start date of October 26, 2020. Based off of MTV's The Challenge series, the game itself tests players mobile gaming skills, typing skills, social networking, general knowledge, etc. The majority of the game is spent on Discord. The upcoming season will be our 19th season (13 main seasons and 6 spin off seasons). We have a community of 115+ unique players who have competed in at least one season, but the majority have competed it multiple seasons. We even have a virtual currency in place called Kudo Points that players can win during final challenges. To learn more about the series you can visit this site: https://the-fandom-challenge-org.fandom.com/wiki/General_Info Each season we cast about 20-24 players and the format can vary from individual, paired teams, two large teams or a combination just so we can keep things fresh. Each season has its own page that tracks games played, elimination progression and numerous others stats depending on the format. Every player is also given their own casting pages that tracks their missions wins, elimination wins or losses, kudo points won, what seasons they’ve played in, etc. If this is something that you might be interested in please feel free to reach out to me with more questions. Also check out our Fandom site and scope things out, and everyone is more than welcome to join our discord if you want to watch things Live. Discord server: https://discord.gg/aQqMzVv Fandom Site: https://the-fandom-challenge-org.fandom.com/wiki/The_Fandom_Challenge_ORG_Wiki Apply to play: https://forms.gle/Qo5hmWHwN13LzHCE8
2020.09.01 20:03 Sanity0004My overly documented and long winded journey through The Challenge for the first time. (Part 7: Rivals 2)
Alright I'm returning for another full season first watch and reaction thread. I hated Battle of the Seasons quite a bit, took a few days off without watching any Challenge, but I was starting to get an itch to get back to watching so my break didn't really last all that long. There's a quick small TL:DR at the end basically summing up my overall thoughts on the season. No real in depth look at anything, that's more throughout the notes. Part 1: Fresh Meat - Duel 2 Part 2: The Ruins Part 3: Fresh Meat 2 Part 4: Cutthroat and Rivals 1 Part 5: Battle of the Exes Part 6: Battle of the Seasons Rivals 2 EP 1: Fucking Frank! I love CT Is this like 4 in a row for Jonna and Jasmine? I for some reason didn't think Johnny was on this season. Wes and CT? Get fucked everyone. Oh god, Pennsetucky again. Diem and Aneesa have beef? Trey calling it true about Zach "He's extremely insecure." "Thank god I got in a fight with one of the biggest guys." Glad to see Emily again. Paula and Emily seems like an OP duo, can't see any girls comparing. Shain Gandee and Pennsetucky back on my tv screen. Dunbar calling someone else being bad at this game is hilarious. Damn Jonna is cute! Johnny and Frank?!?! What? I can't imagine this going well. Ok, this challenge house may be the best to this point. CT instantly flirting. Johnny definitely politicking and putting himself as some house authority instantly. Zach calling everyone a kid is annoying. "CT's not intimidating" Ok bud, coming in trying to step up to the biggest guy, I see you. lol About CT: "It depends on which one of his personalities comes out!" lol Tyrie already slacking this season, falling asleep on a toilet. lol Oh Nooooo Diem with cancer again! :( Diem looks cute as hell with the short hair honestly. Quit wearing wigs! This may be the most athletic full set of girls on a season yet. Not too many blatant standouts on the low side. "60% fall rate" no one falls. Eat shit Johnny! I would seriously think you can just chalk Emily and Paula in for the final and likely winning it. From episode 1. Not even joking. If Emily/Paula and Wes/CT aren't the two winners I'll be shocked. My wife doesn't even watch this show except for the episode here and there and just saw Wes/CT were a pair and asked if that was fair lol I love CT. Him giggling because he basically gets to tackle Wes over and over is great. Tyrie and Dunbar lost? No way! lol Calling Zach and Trey the pair that hates each other most? That seems weak. Zach just hates everyone. CT gunning for Johnny? I didn't think I could love CT more. Throwing them against DunbaTyrie is a dumb joke tho lol You're just painting a target on yourself pointlessly when there is almost no way they'd lose. At least everyone else realizes CT is being dumb. Opposite sex decides? Wow, I like it. Politicking became more important. CT calling Johnny on his shit! I love it. "You're going to tell everyone you'll take them to the final and pick em off little by little!" Diem and her territorial-ness over CT shows up instantly! Someone leaving already?! Frank trying to talk shit, color me surprised. "A shot was made and a war was started. Now I'm going to finish it." Whatever you say Frank. I look forward to you randomly talking shit once someone is already in an argument so you can just gang up on someone and not be the only one on your side. Your schtick is tired and it's only been one season dude! If there was anyone I think Dunbar and Tyrie could beat it'd be Derek and Robb. Oh my god Dunbar is so god damn terrible. Even when you get to the bell first you fall and miss hitting it and have to get back up to hit it? You are awful dude. Sit down, retire. Seriously wow, you're awful. Just terrible. Dunbar trying to put it on Tyrie haha god damn dude. Walk away. Johnny honestly playing smart. Paint a common target for enough people and it keeps you out of being the target. EP 2: CT has a thing with ninja gear. This is like the third season he's brought up ninja gear. What is with these challenge houses having terrible cooling? Everyone is literally camped in the living room for air? Frank wanting to get in to a random argument that doesn't concern him? Wow, so refreshing. Once again it's only when it's like five people around arguing with one person that frank jumps in and screams over everyone. lol somehow Frank is the victim. I fucking hate this guy. Ct is shit for pinning lying about hooking up on Anastasia, but it's shit on Anastasia to go around publicizing the shit. Wes actually talking truth. It's none of anyone's business. Why does everyone hate Cara? I don't remember people out and out hating her this much. Something happen before the season or something? She said something about putting her foot in her mouth on twitter or something? Like I know there was some Wes/Paula/Tyler shit from Rivals 1 I think, but this seems like all around hate. Plus I think most of that beef was on Laurel. Wes seriously seems so slimmed down from earlier seasons. Wes you manchild! "I can't put my face in another mans crotch." Grow up Why are these people so damn whiny. Now Preston too? CT and Knight just grabbing each other and trying to do it is pretty hilarious. Why stop them? You could have just said they can't win lol This comp does kinda suck though... Diem acting like she is scared to death to be between Aneesa's legs? Trying to get the ball from around her legs? What? The people that can't get up and decided to just roll the way lmao Everyone hating Trishelle is a-ok with me. Sucks for Sarah though. CT probably crossing his fingers hoping for Anastasia to get eliminated. Sarah straight up asking Trishelle if she plans on quitting lol Damn Sarah Diem, lose the wigs. The short hair is adorable and cute as hell. You can kind of tell CT kinda gets off on Anastasia flipping out and thats kinda gross... I am developing quite a crush on Jonna this season. She's coming to these elims with absolute fire looks. CT giving help to Cara/Cooke haha Why is Cara so damn greasy looking? TJ has no time for people shit! "It's three minutes..." Basically suck it up and hang upside down for 3 damn minutes you baby. Just gonna fall in your own piss Cooke? Really? I mean I guess it's motivation not to lose? Wait...is one person using both saws cheating? It showed Cara and Cooke and Cooke was using both saws while Cara held on to Cooke so she wasn't moving all around. That seems counter to the point of the comp. I kind of miss the days of these challenges having intricate rules and technicalities. Ripping the flag in Duel 1 and the jeep push in sand in Gauntlet 3. TJ talking shit again! "Guess you should smoke cigarettes and not eat?" I can't understate how much I love TJ talking shit. Apparently these seasons have a communal fuck spot? Exes was the laundry room and I guess this season is the closet? First CT/Anastasia now Sarah/Jordan? lol They said "Nah, we're putting a camera in there this time." EP 3: Why are they suddenly naming these episodes after shows and movies? Have I just not noticed this before? Good for the rookie dude being bi and owning it. Fucking Shain Gandee dude. Jesus. He just instantly says "That's Marlin" like it's the fucking punchline of a hilarious joke. You can't for a second think that's funny. Oh now he's talking about melting a toothbrush and stabbing him? What?! Trishelle repeating Robin's weird argument of asking Aneesa what she is? EEEESH "TRASH-ELLE"!!!!!! Aneesa, I love you. Forget any negative things I said about you in the past. "She's a stripper!" What? lol what does that have to do with anything? Not making a good argument when you're talking about all the things she is and then bringing up her being a stripper? Trashelle you have some high horse complex, for sure. Sarah fucking calling Trishelle quitting days ago?!?! Definitely seems like there were some strong vibes coming off Trishelle from the start. "She's so many things, so anything will offend her!" Trishelle you just sound like trash. If you can't talk without offending multiple groups of people the problem is you and the way you talk. I swear if Sarah doesn't get another teammate after Cooke does I'll be fuming. Ugh, fucking Knight you douche. If you're always the bad guy in almost all situations, the issue isn't the people. It's you. Of fuck off! She left because of a family issue is no damn difference than someone quitting! Neither one of those scenarios the partner has any fucking control over! That's horseshit. DQ'd for a fight? Get a new teammate. Leave for family? Get a teammate? Quit or be a shitty person that happens to be Sarah's partner? Sarah goes home too! Fuck offfffff. Wes: "I hate to say it, but me and CT are bonding." You love to see it. If their time limit was 10 minutes and 30 seconds was being added after their time why wouldn't you just DQ them at 9:30. No one would be able to go past 10 minutes anyways. You're just giving them an extra 30 seconds to get farther than someone else that DQ's at only 10 minutes? I really feel like they don't think these challenges through all that well. I feel like half the guys this season have had zero screen time. Ty continues to be shit at anything taking longer than 2 minutes. "I need this old man to fire up his wheel chair and keep going." Frank literally doesn't know how to talk without talking shit. This Elim challenge of braking the stick on each other just sounds like a leftover jackass stunt. Mad props to Nany. There's women still today that will look at a bi dude and say hell no he's gay and won't even think about dating them. There was this exact case on that Netflix reality show love is blind or something like that. The girl was repulsed and basically quit right away. EP 4: Jordan taking no time moving on from Sarah lmao Damn Nany also just moving along the men too! Diem girl, damn chick. Move the hell on. Either decide you want to be with CT or ignore what he does completely. Writing a rap?!?! lol Fucking Pennsetucky. "Woah woah woah, you're gonna just lie to her?" "Jemmye is one of the prettiest girls in the house." What a weird way for Leroy to come out about having the worst taste in the house. (Top tier: Theresa, Nany, Jonna. Bottom Tier: Jasmine, Pennsetucky.) Paula with some weird ass makeup for this challenge making her look like she has face bruises walking in today. "I don't like going first, it's a disadvantage." No shit, why do we need at this commentary every single damn challenge? Wes and CT, it definitely came down to looking like Wes being impatient and then CT getting annoyed and frustrated with him. The hetero guys on this season literally can't help themselves but make gay jokes any possible time they can. Emily/Paula continue to dominate. A fucking Johnny bobble-head... I don't hate that vets come in with the idea of protecting each other. I hate that some people come in and just expect it and are appalled by even the suggestion of a vote coming their way. You are not entitled to skate by simply because you've been on multiple seasons. Grow up. That was one of my favorite aspects of Battle of the Seasons. The rookies came in and said fuck that noise and the vets got fucked because of it. Why is everyone so hateful on Cara Maria? What did I miss? I get like the attitude aspect, Cara is whiny "I know how to politic like nobody's business." You mean the guys in control are sticking to vets strong and it scares the rookies from disrupting it? Sure, good politicking Diem... "Ketchup is my biggest fear." Sentences I never thought I'd hear in my life. This entire Jemmye rant I barely make out any words. Imagine seeing Theresa and Pennsetucky and thinking "I can't tell which is more attractive." Hahaha and Jimmye says theres is the backup plan haha I feel like all these Elim's that look scary and intimidating are always the biggest let downs. The flyswatter slap off comes to mind. I feel like this whole Elim is specifically designed for Cara Maria. "I have a battery pack like that I attach to my nipples." Damn Cara... Maybe my knowledge of batteries being attached to things, and electricity in general sucks, but I feel like the batteries only being touched by one side(assuming positive) and there being no real completion of the circuits would make thi....oh It's all for show. Yeah, that makes sense. No one goes home. Fucking thank you Diem. Go without the wigs! Damn girl, you look so much better. If the non-vet girls want shit to change they need to start putting in the vet guys to get any kind of shift to happen. EP 5: If anyone is fucking, you can guarantee Jasmine is trying to catch a glimpse. Ugh, Wes and his territorialness. "How dare you have sex in your bed...with my ex-hookup!" "This is cute." Oh, this definitely bothers Wes. It turns in to Leroy being the insecure one! lol Don't show me Zach crying, I don't care about this fuckhead. Oh god, it turns in to a fucking panic attack lol screaming and throwing a tantrum. Yup, thanks, fuck this guy. "You had a healthy neice/nephew!" "Fucking fuuuuuuuuuuuuck, I'm panicking!!!!! HULK SMASH!" I'm a fan of this Jordan dude. "My tummy hurts and I miss my family. Time to have a hissy fit." Frank has to turn it into being about himself somehow. Zach having this panic gets like a full medical team in the house. Big E looking like he's having a heart attack got another fat dude and a girl to throw him on a stretcher after a half hour of waiting lmao "Here's some pepto you giant baby." Oh, wild glimpse of Diem's amazing political prowess, talking to Wes! Finally the rookie girls smartening up and trying to stick together. Diem also suggesting letting Jasmine/Theresa go by too? That seems off.. This Jordan guy continues to be crazy competitive. These Rookies are impressive. Zach-"I'd rather not pull for Frank and Johnny." Frank-"That's a good idea Zach." lol this is so hilarious and dumb to me. Letting Wes and CT of all people just walk by?! They're two of the best competitors, don't give them an advantage lol Blaming one single person not pulling out of like 8? I don't like Johnny, don't get me wrong, but that one damn person isn't making a difference on your ass sucking. Zach is the biggest god damn baby. "I sucked at a challenge? Who is the first and easiest person I can put this blame on other than myself?" I am completely with Zach on Johnny being a snake. The logic behind it is just stupid and whiny. The two closest people to Leroy completely fucks him! Haha the stupidity! If you're just going to throw a vote away, mayyyyybe not throw it on the people you're clost to trying not to make a target of yourself. Don't blame someone else for your damn vote! You voted for him. You wanted to skate by without making a target and did something stupid. Your own dumb mistake. Live with it. Love this elim challenge. Get to the bell and win basically, but smash shit to do it. Ty and Leroy losing lmao Oh god, Zach throwing the helmet. What a dumbass. Zach, you dumbass. "That's clearly not what happened." I always knew your sense of reality was off. Ty winning an elim by default is great. Man, Frank saying all this shit about self reflection and realizing when Zach is an ass. If only he could look in to a mirror... EP 6: Oh no, a storm is brewing!! Theresa, let it the fuck go. You voted on your own damn dude, that's your problem. Production change idea: Change the "clue" text messages to random ominous things TJ says after an elimination. Make it a suspenseful end to an episode and still get the clue out of the way. Then you can have the replay of it and speculation by the players on the next episode as a recap. The text stuff is just kind of dumb and real played out now. Freinemies is great, but what this show really needs is superlitives. Calling out the cockiest, the ugliest, cutist for the whole cast would cause so many laughs and drama. Shocked they haven't done it. Same basic prensiple, but everyone should be answering them with everyone as an option. She didn't say it was your favorite Aneesa, she said it was your best. Definitely not your face Jemmye Hair is the best body part lol I wish I knew why everyone hated Cara so much, but how much it bothers her is fun to watch. Pennsetucky is like the only to take it personal. Of course. Yes, Johnny the most fake, and the one that needs the most attention. Definitely. Emily and Puala literally just blazing through these challenges. Seeing Emily be so good, just makes me want to see Laurel and Emily on the same season. Pennsitucky lol such a sensetive baby. Wes is going to say Theresa is the trashiest. There is literally no doubt. Of course he'd say that. CT being smart! Fucking genius not answering. Johnny just owning it and calling Paula trash lmao Ty/Leroy accidentily being sent in to Elim and winning by default and then coming back and getting first to control the order on guy day. What a turn of events. "Jordan gave me my word so he better not be going back on that." Nothing says he'll be going back on his word more than this being put in the ep. Johnny OF COURSE, wanting to sit back and control the game and not let people play their own games. You're a rookie, don't try to play. That'd be a mistake. I want to see the 3 hours of footage it took for CT and Wes to coordinate their nomination vote. "I gotta show these old bitches how to do an elimination." Jasmine ain't taking ya'lls shit. I never follow with the relationships between season. I'm still wondering about Ty/Paula, and Jonna/Zach lol It's like every season is basically a reset unless it specifically brings it up. All this Theresa anger is all predicated on her making a dumb mistake. She wanted to play the middle and not pick a side. Now suddenly she fucked up and is angry and wants to pick a side, but everyone would much rather just cut you loose. I see treadmilles, I'm instantly thinking goodbye Theresa. Diem wearing an ugly ass "Team Jemmye/Camilla" shirt. These people act like they're shocked Jasmine has basic motor functions lol "Jasmine is actually catching these!" "I'm surprised when Jasmine actually catches it!" ....what? Wes is such a child. 3 seasons later literally still bent out of shape with Theresa liking Kenny. EP 7: Diem, you should literally have no hope at all for the final. Why are you even wasting your time thinking you have a chance? Shock collars? I like this comp already. Aneesa screaming in pain at the smallest shock? Wes and his damn ego. Cara and her shock sex thoughts continues. "Just listen!" "To what?!" lol Cooke trying to go by the sound of the ocean. Cooke calling Cara on her shit. Talks a big game of loving shocks and shit, but can't stop freaking out during the comp. Ty and Leroy completely lost and going back to the start haha Oh my god, Jonna and Nany literally making it nowhere and DQ'ing. Wow Jesus, someone please take out Johnny and Frank for me please. I already hate these two, why put them together and make them stronger?! Ty and Leroy back in the Elim. This is the biggest back and forth swing people can have in just two episodes. Johnny, fucking Johnny. Instantly going in to try and control the game. Of fucking course. Emily, fucking thank you!!! "Johnny, youre just wanting to help you and Frank farther along to keep winning. Which is fine, but just say it." Thank you Emily!!! Frank bitching, and trying to act like the bigger guy by saying he wasn't campaigning on a technicality. Fucking Frank. Jumping in peoples faces and screaming INSTANTLY. Oh look, he also only does it when other people are around and are also yelling/arguing with the person. I'm really noticing a trend with this guy... Not really, I been knowin! Johnny, Franks ego does not need any extra stroking. Jordan is completely right. Girls literally said they are voting in Knight until Johnny/Frank walked in the room. Please Frank, say "check your facts" again. "There's a team everyone wants here until the final."(Knight/Preston) You know...except the girls who were going to be voting them in. They're not just here to make the final easier for you Johnny. The headbanger elim? I'd be all money on Ty/Leroy, if I didn't have a long history of knowing Ty runs out of complete gas after like 30 seconds of effort. Marlon and Jordan both seem pretty damn fast too. That and the editing of Johnny talking Jordan down about Rookie aspect makes me think Marlon/Jordan are pulling this win out. Guys, they aren't sleeping on you guys, they want you gone because you've won multiple challenges. God damn I hate Frank. I don't think I could hate anyone any more than this dude. Hahaha Jordan/Marlon pulling that shit out! The one thing I like about Wes, is that he sees and knows how Johnny plays/wins the games and he likes basically anything that disrupts that. He wants Jordan/Marlon back in the house because they're good competitors and it disrupts Johnny/Frank. Everyone else all looks shocked, Wes genuinely looks like he's having fun. If the guys don't immediately start targeting Diem/Paula/Camilla, the people Johnny will always have on their sides, they're stupid. EP 8: Ugh, can I just not give a damn about Diem and CT? Fuck Frank. "These new kids." Lmao you have one damn season under your belt! Literally the same amount as a lot of the people you're bitching about! He's right about Pennsetucky though lol "What the fuck is a Jemmye?! Besides the ugliest girl to ever be cast on one of these shows?!" That rough...but accurate. Jemmye talks non stop shit about Knight, but instantly wants to be angry at him for not standing up for her. These two fucks are white trash personified. Camilla got that Hulk anger strangth. Good god chick. She's pushing Emily around! lol On this trapese competition, I don't get why you would want to ride the bar down to the water? Why not jump in and immediately swim unstead of waiting for it to take you down? Some kind of unmentioned time penalty?' These people suck ass at swimming! Please cut back to Diem trying to get Aneesa to swim laps and her saying "We will never have to do that." lol "Die in the water, die in the water, die in the water!" and "I know my time is better than both of theirs, it's just up to Johnny's." I fucking hate Frank Diem has absolutely no faith in Aneesa, but somehow thinks she has a chance at the final? Chick... Cara/Cooke again. If you come on this show and don't expect heights and water...you're fucking stupid. The god damn vets!!!! Ughhhhhh. Literally my least liked thing about this show. Can't vote for Paula or Diem so you have to vote in Jonna, Frank, sorry bud. Vets get to skate by in this game, that's just how it works! You did better last year when you came in and said fuck that and got the vets out instantly. Now when it's your teammate and you're walking to the final it's all abored the vet ship! Why go to a commercial? There is absolutely zero chance Johnny would allow their vote go against Paula or Diem lol Fucking Frank, gotta be antagonistic. Gotta piss someone off and then act like the victim and be a bully about it. You fucked over Jonna and then you want to act smug about it and act like she can't be upset with you. I fucking hate this guy. Frank wearing a god damn Jonna headband. You're a fucking joke. Cooke/Cara are just going to eliminate everyone on their way to the final lol Oh god, frank and his damn whining! Going to the vets and whining to them isn't getting you anywhere dude. They're going to reinforce whatever you whine about because you're going along with letting them walk to the final! EP 9: I want CT to be asking Wes the entire season if they're friends yet like he did with Adam. I can't describe how little I care about Diem and CT. CT sleeping on the floor next to her is sweet though. What is with all the writing on everyone this season during the challenges? So weird. CT and Johnny rematch challenge? This time without Adam not being able to get up? Darn. Forgot CT/Wes pick order. Calling Johnny out of shape when he's probably in the best shape he's been in to this point in the show is funny. Cara Maria talking so much about her knee pads seems weird seeing as how it never seems to slip? Pennsetucky just flipping around like a dying fish while trying to climb up is hilaroud. Johnny saying it will take CT and Wes at their best to bet them lol They have like 40 seconds left with all the balls already put in. Johnny and Frank and their ego's just go so well together. "That was a warmup!" "Nah, that couldn't be it? Could it?" "I think we just won?" Love the CT/Wes dynamic when they're forced to work together. Johnny bitching about them not being humble winners is a huge fucking chefs kiss lmao Johnny is the biggest fucking loudmouth at challenges! You god damn fuckboi. Please let Johnny be in the last elimination again. Pleaseeeeeeeeeeee Frank, you god damn bitch. Johnny gets to walk to the final again. Wes/CT/Johnny instantly letting shit fly now that they're in the final is fucking amazing. At least Johnny, unlike his partner, isn't waiting until like 3 or 4 people are engaged in an argument to start in on it. I hate Johnny, but Wes and CT look way more dumb in this argument. Knowing Johnny goes on to win a lot of these challenges and comes back a lot makes this argument even more hilarious. "I have a BMW, a Porsche, a monster truck and 3 businesses!!!!" Ok Wes... "Are those matchstick cars?" lol Where was this Wes/CT shit talking during the whole damn season?! It's like they were all pussies and saw how Seasons went down and realized they'd get mopped up if they didn't stick together. "I don't have to say shit, I'll just leave it all out on the field." Fucking Frank, literally all you do is fucking talk shit. Johnny getting his usual suspects of Paula, Camilla and Frank to patch up his ego after the fight. CT and Wes looked absolutely dumb, but Johnny and Frank just seem so ridiculous with this conversation afterward. The Rookies stick around! I'd be worried about these rookies if I were Johnny/Frank. EP 10: This episode can basically be summed up with one long tirade about the entitelment of the vet women in these seasons. We saw it all the way back on the island with Johanna saying she expected to just be handed a key at the end. Now here you are with Diem absolutely losing her shit the second she might be at risk. There is literally nothing I hate more in this game than the entitelment the vets have. Hearing shit like "Cara and Cooke just get to walk to the final and they've done nothing." or "I've worked my ass off to get here!" fuck the fuck off Diem. Cara and Cooke literally took out just about every other couple, went in too the elims constantly! Politicking and sitting around skating on old friendships isn't putting in work! You haven't done shit, but sit around all season trying to encourage your team mate to prepare for the final because you just expact to walk to the final without any issues. Paula and Emily going in to beg and cry to the rookies who they sent in repeatedly is just fucking gross. You want to go to the final, then fucking win! I can't stand seeing these people throw around their "power" and "influence" all season and then flip their shit the instant they have none. Ok, maybe I'm crazy and blinded by CT love, but where is the manipulation on CT's part? What did he ask for, what did he do differently that he doesn't always do? He flirts constantly. Diem is the one who ended things, Diem is the one that gets jealous and territorial, Diem is the one who freaks out and suddenly gets mad at the other girls for seemingly unrelated issues. It more seems like Diem is trying to use CT and is now asking for reciprecation and getting mad it isn't automatically given. What Johnny is doing throughout the season is more manipulation than CT. Johnny is constnatly getting in Diem's head about CT and blaming CT for Diem going in to elimination. How? What are you talking about? By Diem and Aneesa, I have absolutely zero faiith in you guys for this comp... EP 11: Diem instantly flipping her shit. Camilla and Jemmye definitely seem to have a height difference, but they don't freak out. Diem "I can't reach! It's not fair!" Fucking Diem, good god. Diem has always been bad at these challenges. That's why she flips out. "They played a good game, and they deserve a lot of respect." Nah Wes, this ain't it cheif. Why is Paula acting like she's coaching Emily on her first final? She was literally just in one on Exes? I don't want another cold final! Cara waiting until she's literally in a final to try to learn swimming. Jesus. My thoughts were initially on Paula and Emily being a shoe in for the win, but she now just seems too much in her head. I can see her having somoe kind of break down. Tokyo seems nuts. In the middle of a city? This I'm interested in. "I don't want an even playing field." God damn it Wes, don't be a bitch. "It's a crapshoot, something anyone can win." Where's all that confidence and brovado Wes?! I love that they're afraid of the rookies. These fucking vets and hating not knowing whats coming up. God damn the vet mentality is so infuriating. Why are these bus cams so ominous? "There's ninjas" These people and ninjas! No location change! Thank you! Tokyo would have been really cool to see though. "Throwing twists and turns through the season"?? What? You didn't have a single elimination, what are you talking about? Third team being out almost instantly seems fine. There's usually one team that wouldn't make it anyways. It sucks that both the teams the vets are worried about are bad at swimming. To see Johnny and Frank eliminated instantly would be amazing. At least the swim isn't that huge of an aspect. The puzzle and kayak will be more than enough to make up time. These people talking about geometry like that matters at all lol Pennsetucky just seems like useless garbage. Wes and CT running away with it. No one else seems even close. What a lackluster first half of a final? Swim > Puzzle > Kayak done? Fingers crossed for a Johnny/Frank loss. "I am living a nightmare." Jemmye, you are my nightmare. Let's go Cara and Cooke! I don't care which of Paula or Camilla get eliminated. This is win/win. I'd rather Emily make it, but meh, I'm tired of the vet entitlement. Timed out, and a kayak race? lol 12: Well, at least there was hope of Johnny and Frank being eliminated. I hate Frank Nightmare Island lol All those times in Fresh Meat of Wes skipping puzzles and now they're getting all these puzzles right. I really couldn't ask for this to go any differently at this point. I really don't like the catch up assist that is built in to the first place teams having to clear some kind of blockage. You're just artificially slowing down the first place team for no reason. "1 times 1 is... That's how you do multiplication right?" Wow Frank. You stupid fuck. Wow Johnny and Frank getting help. Of course. Cara NOT being the one struggling? "Wes is having trouble with his poop soup." What a line. Paula and Emily are flying through this gross food. Jesus! Emily literally just jamming maggots in Paula's mouth! Damn! Hahahaha the cascade of liquid coming out of CT at one point haha I haven't seen Johnny put a single thing in his mouth lol Yet he's the one saying Frank is breaking down. I thought Durian fruit just stunk and wasn't actually bad? Maybe I'm remembering wrong. Johnny is literally just standing around doing nothing!! Still have yet to see Johnny put anything in his mouth other than water. Oh wait, he put these weird dried things in his mouth. He ate something. Maybe I'm realizing why everyone hates Cara. Fuck she doesn't stop whining! Everything is a struggle with her. Cara can't figure out "1-2-3" lol I'd love to see Emily, Laurel, Sarah and Ev all on an individuals season. They need to do some kind of best of the best season. Somehow take individuals win or success rates and get the people that have the highest rate of winning in these challenges. Lets go Wes and CT! It seemed a little easy, but I really liked this last idol checkpoint. So glad to see Frank and Johnny lose. Seems I was vindicated in my early prediction of Wes/CT and Emily/Paula running away with this from the first episode. Reunion: I'll say it again. I'd love to see TJ hosts these reunions Why is CT's mic so quiet? Oh weird, cutting down the cast for specific segments? God dammit, Pennsetucky, Ugh. Knight seems drunk as hell. Frank is the biggest fucking shit talker. He literally doesn't say shit unless there is like 3 other people involved first. Knight is just so out of his mind. I'm all for Frank getting hit, but Knight, jesus. This is awkward as hell with Moasley trying to pull this back together lol Dude has zero care, he's just going in to the next cue card lmao Sad to hear how much Diem was going on while recording the show. Can completely understand being all over the place. Still don't like the entitlement shit. Cara trying to crawl up and grab Diem's hand and Aneesa yelling at her hahaha This dude is such a terrible host. He doesn't even finish statements. He just kind of rambles. Jemmye and Knight are straight trash. "I play a mental game and I get in people's heads." Frank, shut the fuck up. Pennsetucky literally wearing a ring in the shape of a gun. You can't make this shit up. This reunion kind of sucks simply because the host has zero control over anything. He asks a question, barely, and then just doesn't say anything no matter how much people are talking over each other or how much silence there is. When Johnny and someone else have to jump in and say something when Jordan can't get more than 3 words in to a sentance that's when the host should step the hell up. Instantly CT is walking all over him. You're asking too many open ended questions and letting them just mumble around them. Ask direct and simple questions and don't let them barrel over you. Jesus this is bad. "Next questions robot!" "They had everyone saying 'WTF'" what in the hell was that?! "What did you not like about the Charades moment? Was it just that Knight called you out?" What the fuck kind of question is that? You need to ask for clarity on why that was wrong? This reunion has just turned into shitting on this host being absolutely terrible. TL:DR / Overall thoughts on the season: I thought this was a really fun season to watch, but was a little disappointed in how predictable it was. I called CT/Wes and Paula/Emily within the first five minutes of the first episode. It just seemed like there was no possible way it was going to happen any differently. This season also didn't really have any kind of back and forth or dominating factor. It was more a season of watching the rookies and Cooke/Cara do everything they can to stick in until the end and then who of the vets was getting the short end of the stick. Fun season to watch, but a little anti-climactic. Thanks for reading, I literally have no clue what is up next.
2020.09.01 14:16 dsut22A background to Wood Green MOB
Wood Green MOB A background into Wood Green MOB (Money Over Bitches), formerly known as Wood Green PBP (Paper Before Pussy,) Hoodfellas and Mobstarz, Wood Green, North London. Wood Green (With Sky City Housing Estate behind The Mall Wood Green) Many drill fans will certainly have heard of the Wood Green MOB group in drill as it's very active in the road scene, the fact that North London is pretty much the hottest place for gang rivalry, and its intense rivalry with certain other North and East End of London areas like South Tottenham, Hornsey and Hoxton, I've seen many other pages with talk about Wood Green MOB like the music they produce and more so about who they beef and the points scored between rival gangs, but for people new to UK Drill (or who do not know some of the history of the Wood Green MOB gang) I trust you will find the background to Wood Green MOB, and its actual precursors intriguing. It took me a while to gather information on a group widely known as other neighbouring London groups. I may do more of these, I could do 6th based in Beckton and maybe Manor Park based in the Manor Park and Cage area.
Based around the London Borough of Haringey, located on numerous estates throughout Wood Green including Sky City, the Sandlings, Noel Park, Commerce Road and Acacia Road all within the N22 postal district. Some of their territory has expanded to the New Southgate area of N11. 22 is another name for the gang and they have mainly been seen in North London in Wood Green on the Commerce Road. They are a very active gang and have been around for over 40 years dating back to the 1970s where drug dealers from Wood Green would offer people drugs to make money, they are very very closely allies with fellow North London area Edmonton, they are also one of North London’s most well known and active gangs, stemming even well before the days of the Dem Africans and Shankstarz. Wood Green MOB also go by #WG , #N22 , #MOB , #GreenGang , #DBlock/DBMG. Wood Green is known as Mob City by many gang members and by locals. . Mob City The Wood Green area borders Bowes Park (N13 and N22), Hornsey (N8), Palmers Green (N13) and Duckett's Green (N15). Many of their rivals are based in and around these areas, in particular South Tottenham and Hornsey. Born from the ashes of old-school North London gang called Wood Green Firm or more commonly known as Firm, Wood Green then saw rap groups form more commonly though in the 2000s under the Wood Green MOB label and it quickly became a well known stomping ground for many of North London's well know and rising road rap talents, most notably Smokey (who was one of the originals in the road rap scene) and Brucey. Working under the Wood Green MOB and Wood Green PBP banner through the early 2010s, the gang quickly found a creative style of music on tunes like "F*** a Family," gradually making their presence known into London's road rap scene. As the sounds of London's road rap shifted, so did the duo's: their 2010s song, You Can Get Touched, saw the group delve into U.K.-style road rap/trap, while in the latter 2010's songs like , Looking For Who, helped to establish the Wood Green's presence on the burgeoning drill scene. It was in the 2010's decade that gangs truly made their mark: working with producers from MKThePlug to M1OnTheBeat, Wood Green gradually built a following with their disses to rivals and creative synergy. Marking their songs with the tag #Wood Green, the gang founded their drill collective just as Wood Green MOB, an homage to the ''Mob City'' area, where gang members will have grown up and represent. A number of past and current generations of gangs have existed in Haringey and other London boroughs that associate with the colour red and blue, some of which in the past had also self-identified themselves as Bloods and Crips. One of the first of these was the short lived Cripset from Dorset Road which claimed affiliation to the Rollin 80's Crips in Los Angeles. The gang was most active throughout the mid 2000's and were rivals to 031 Bloods, now know simply as 031 (O-Tray One) based in the Patmore and Hartington estates. This is seen as a massive influence on London from the famous American rival gangs Bloods and Crips. Wood Green MOB themselves have never claimed Crips or Bloods like their rivals have and they have always affiliated with the colour green. There are a number of other gangs in London which have been linked with the colour red. The Ida Bloodstarz from Ida Road and Tottenham have always used the colour red, whilst the former gang EvaStrap (now known as Reed Road) in the borough of Haringey in which they are located had asubset nicknamed 'Reed Road Cripz' and can still be seen using blue bandanas to this day, this is due to the ongoing American influence. Some of PBP/MOB's rivalries have identified with colours themselves such as Original Farm Boys who used to be known as just Broadwater Farm/Tottenham Mandem, identify with the colour red and also Northumberland Park Killers/NPK who used to be a part of the Tottenham Mandem gang collective, identify with the colour purple .
Current beef and alliances
Wood Green Firm and the current Wood Green MOB gang have had some of the same rivalries between gangs but some of the rivalries were rid of and have now become extinct during the current generation of the Wood Green MOB gang. The current generation of the mass rivalry in Haringey has overtaken the old school rivalry that was between Wood Green and Archway Mandem and Busy Blocks. Wood Green MOB allies: 3x3/N9 (N9), 6th/ACG(Anyone Can Go)/Hammerville (E6)), 37/OJB (SW11), Touch Paper Lane (N15 and N22), Arnos Grove (N11 and N14) and 4BP (NW4). Wood Green MOB rivalries: 6th/ACG(Anyone Can Go)/Hammerville (E6), Graveyard Fam (N2, N3, and N12), Northumberland Park Killers/NPK (N17), Original Farm Boys (N17), Hornsey Grey Gang/8th (N8), Grahame Park (NW9), Albany Park/Skengfield (EN3) and Hoxton (N1).
Early to mid 1990's
During the early 1990’s a gang known as the Firm was active across the north of London, first being and restricted to Tottenham but extending to incorporate nearby parts of Haringey such as Edmonton and Wood Green. By 1996-97 the different districts began to identify with their local area with their younger generations and so the Edmonton Firm and Wood Green Firm were formulated and this type of local district affiliation still happens widespread today. The Wood Green Firm birthed around Gladstone Avenue in Noel Park and on the Sandlings estates, which are main bases of Wood Green MOB today. Many members were educated at St Dorothy’s, St Katherine’s and Broomfield Schools in north London, and later Southgate College. The Sandlings and Sky City estates were the main area of activity from the beginning and later Sandlings was nicknamed ''Shell Town'', largely because the shotgun was once a favoured weapon as was its shells ammunition. Wood Green and North London as a whole always had much of a multi-generational phases of gangs, which would have had each generation taking on their own identity and name, in comparison to other London Boroughs such as the Royal Borough of Greenwich, Lambeth and Waltham Forest. Sky City Estate and the Sandlings, where the Wood Green MOB gang was formed, had long had music being produced during the time which they descended into gang violence in the 1990's and mid 2000s, previously being called the gang Hoodfellas and City of Gods. In reports of the late 1990s, Wood Green and many areas of North London as a whole was characterized as deprived in income, employment, health and crime. Wood Green dominated over the nearby Hornsey area which is where Hornsey Mandem developed was created, the two were close in alliance until 2008. Wood Green remained close with other ‘Firm’ areas Edmonton until 2003-04 and Tottenham until 2005, however, these area relationships in north London were later broken down by second and third iteration members and now beef today.
The first generation Wood Green Firm began to call themselves ‘Junior Mafia’ or ‘Junior Mafia Woodz’ in the late 1990’s and going into the millennium. The second generations became known collectively as Wood Green MOB – Money Over Bitches. Within the MOB’s sprawling turf, covering large parts of the N22 post code (known as 22nd Side), sets developed that were geographically placed on various estates such as the Avenues (Noel Park), Acacia Road, Bracknell Close and Progress Way, Commerce Road, the Sandlings and Sky City estates. Following the death of a young Tottenham boy in 1997, perpetrated by the Hackney Mandem, members of the Wood Green Firm were firmly backing the conflict that came to be generalised as ‘Hackney versus Tottenham’. At this point in time Wood Green and Tottenham were close allies, Edmonton were also their allies. Although the conflict mainly concerned those from Broadwater Farm and London Fields estates, Wood Green counted Hackney as a rival. By 1998, a host of gang names begun to exist under the umbrella of Wood Green MOB over the last several years including Shell Town Soldiers, Junior Mafia Woodz, Mobstarz, Hoodfellas, North Bangers, PBP (Paper Before Pussy), City of Gods and Mobcity Young Gunners / GSR. The names loosely denote various age generations of the gang, Wood Green MOB or Mobstarz remains as the collective identity. Wood Green is also known amongst other things as Mobcity. A second, separate gang forms across Wood Green and Tottenham and known as SK or Shadow Kings. They are a predominantly African set and do not have a set turf due to their focus not being banging but trapping. They are associated with the MOB and although not affiliated with TMD, often worked for them.
A long-time defunct set called 1 Nation is formed after breaking away from the wider Shadow Kings
Shadow Kings starts a heavy rivalry with Tottenham. This would be the first ever Wood Green vs Tottenham rivalry. Numerous lives were lost during this rivalry. By 2001-02, there had been multiple murders, along with countless shootings and drug offences, which saw many of the first generation members imprisoned for long sentences. At this point the second and third generations of Wood Green were known as ‘Junior Mafia’ and as ‘Wood Green MOB’. The equivalent generations of Edmonton went on to become known as the Shankstarz whilst over a dozen Tottenham estates began to adopt their own identity, for example NPK (from Northumberland Park). Many of the teenagers involved in this generation were known to one another as friends, having attended the same schools and having played football together, and through family ties. Despite this, the areas began to challenge each others reputation and it wasn’t long before this escalated into violence. In 2002, up to a dozen members of the Wood Green MOB – the Junior Mafia Woodz – were caught by police surveillance following a four-month robbery spree. The gang members, aged 12-19, were said by police to see themselves as untouchable, preying on innocent victims as a pack to steal cash and mobile phones often at knifepoint. Jermaine Campbell (later sentenced for the murder of Andre Linton in 2005), Craig Johnson and Ashley Gowdie, all then 16, were ordered to be detained for three years despite being young offenders because their crimes were deemed so serious. Up to 1,300 hours of surveillance film showed scenes of robbery taking place. The gang were identifiable by their trademark clothing of t-shirts with Loony tunes characters. Robbery offences were said to have fallen by 33% in Wood Green shopping centre following the convictions. The youths were said to have been led on robbery offences by older members of the gang Shane Reid and Marcus Downie. 2003 The third generation become known as Wood Green MOB + WGM (Wood Green Mandem). Their turf expands to cover large parts of the N22 post code (known as 22nd Side). In 2003, the Shankstarz were involved in the stabbing of two teenagers, one from Wood Green and one from Tottenham. This generation of Wood Green, and NPK from Tottenham, were now rivals with nearby Lower Edmonton (N9).
In 2004, Wood Green MOB were allies with a gang known as the Shadow Kings, a predominantly African gang whose members lived across Wood Green and Tottenham N17 areas. Shadow Kings, who were often present in Wood Green, began conflict with Tiverton from south Tottenham (who at the time had internal issues in Tottenham with Broadwater Farm). During the conflict Wood Green membership was torn between loyalties with Tottenham and the Shadow Kings. Those who sided with the Shadow Kings gained a new enemy in Tottenham. Wood Green-Tottenham beef begins. The conflict with Edmonton was continued predominantly with NPK rather than Wood Green and resulted in numerous stabbings culminating with a series of convictions following a large outbreak of violent disorder on Hertford Road, Edmonton, in 2007. By this point in time Wood Green and Tottenham were no longer allies as a result of torn loyalties developing from disputes that occurred in 2005.
The fallout brought Tottenham back together, ending internal disputes that had not developed into anything too serious, and in 2005 the Wood Green MOB began serious conflict with Tottenham gangs, mainly Broadwater Farm, Ida Bloodstarz and Tiverton. A growing number of shootings had been occurring between Tottenham and Wood Green in 2005. Furthermore, an 18-year-old and a 20-year-old male were gunned down in Tottenham and Wood Green the preceding years in murder cases that both remain unsolved. Among the incidents in the run-up to the murder of Tottenham male, Andre Linton - an innocent victim of this feud, an 18-year-old was seriously wounded during a knife attack near Broadwater Farm whilst a 17-year-old was also injured in a drive-by shooting, also on the Farm. In the latter incident, local Member of Parliament David Lammy was there to attend to the shot boy. He later criticised police who refused to allow the ambulance to reach the victim after they had sealed the area off whilst carrying out a risk assessment. The victim, Charles Osei-Bonsu, suffered a gunshot wound to the shoulder. In April 2005, the press picked up on the growing rivalry between MOB and the Farm, calling it an armed turf-war. In the week that preceded the article there had been reports of a drive-by shooting and a gunfight on West Green Road where eight shell cases were discovered. This was followed by another gunfight on Clarendon Road and police were later called to attend North Middlesex Hospital where a young man with gunshot wounds to the leg had presented himself. In May 2005, 22-year-old Andre Linton was killed by a single bullet after his car was surrounded by members of the Wood Green MOB on Buller Road, Wood Green. Jermaine 'Killa' Campbell, then 19, was later charged with the murder. Andre, who was a pupil at Greig City Academy and formerly of Northumberland Park School, was not a gang member. It is believed the trigger was something as arbitrary as a 'dirty look'. Police were called to six reports of firearms that evening, it followed three seperate shootings that had taken place on Turnpike Lane and Broadwater Farm. In total, there had been twenty recorded incidents of violent disorder involving guns or knives in the eight weeks prior to the murder. In one attack, an innocent eight-year-old child was injured during a hit-and-run when a car being driven by a gang fleeing the scene mounted the pavement. The tit-for-tat rivalry continued between Broadwater Farm, joined sometimes by other Tottenham gangs including Tiverton and Ida, against the Wood Green MOB. In October 2006, Wood Green MOB's Jerome Vassell, 19, was left fighting for his life after being shot in the head outside a talent show at the West Indian Cultural Centre in Clarendon Road, Hornsey. Vassell , also known as JV or Warlord, was allowed to leave Royal Free Hospital in Hampstead, however, he suffered severe brain damage that caused partial paralysis and communication problems. Green City alliance is formed between Wood Green, Edmonton Green, and Bounds Green. All three gangs begin wearing green bandanas.
Those gangsters who were involved in Shadow Kings had now joined Wood Green MOB after many Shadow King members face imprisonment and longer sentences. At the time of Jerome Vassell’s death, Wood Green had teamed up with once brief enemies from Edmonton who were now known as the Shankstarz. The link became popularised as the Green City alliance (Wood Green to Edmonton Green), with both gangs increasingly associating with the colour green and wearing of green clothing including bandanas. Wood Green were also linked with the Meridian Mandem (Meridian Crew and Bloodline music crew) and Palmers Green, referred to locally as P-Town. This generation of Wood Green also became allies to the London Fields Boys, another gang who the Wood Green olders once shared an extreme hatred of alongside their older Tottenham allies. In 2008, long-term allies Hornsey and Wood Green began to fall into conflict with one another. A series of incidents contributed to the build up of the rivalry including a stabbing on Commerce Road estate in Wood Green, the victim was associated with Wood Green younger set ‘City of Gods’. A number of tit-for-tat incidents followed with robberies of Wood Green youngers by Hornsey, and attacks carried out by Warlordz and LMD sets. Wood Green responded with similar violations against the Hornsey Grey Gang and it escalated throughout the rest of 2008. In one incident in September 2008, up to forty rivals fought a pitched battle on Lymington Avenue, Wood Green, during which a 17-year-old boy suffered serious stab wounds and was described as lucky to be alive. He was stabbed in the legs, back and face as the youths fought with sticks and bottles. Some of those involved were caught on CCTV in nearby Gladstone Road although their faces were concealed with bandanas. By the end of 2008 Hornsey Grey Gang had developed an alliance with Wood Green’s rivals from Tottenham including NPK. Since 2008 a new wave of younger members have made headlines for minor offences typically associated with the early stages of gang evolvement. The Sky City and Sandlings estates continue to be a preferred hangout by aspiring gang members. The Sky City estate, which sits above Wood Green shopping mall, often makes local headlines for gang activity. In an unusual outcome in 2010, Haringey Council blocked plans for a dispersal zone on the estate, largely because the confines of the estate are not a public place (dispersal prevent loitering in public places). With the relocation of a number of older members to Palmers Green the new younger sets have been left to run amok continuing age old rivalries with nearby gangs. Stabbings incidents have occurred frequently with young members in their early to mid teens. A 15-year-old boy was stabbed in Wood Green High Road on the day of the Royal Wedding, April 29th, after being chased through the town centre. He was stabbed repeatedly by a group of youths in broad daylight in what police believe was an attempted murder. The following month a teenager was knocked off his bike by a car on Darwin Road, Noel Park, before the occupants got out and stabbed him.
In 2010 Michael Gaynor received an ASBO banning him from Wood Green for five years. The order also prevents him from associating with thirteen other members of the gang; from being in a group of three or more in a public place; from uploading pictures or footage that features green bandanas; and from featuring in any music video of audio material that is uploaded onto the internet and incites violence towards rival gangs. Despite having had gang affiliations in Wood Green since his early youth G Money (Michael Gaynor) is one of the biggest names on the underground rap/road music scene. He was interviewed for MTV’s the Wrap Up in 2010 where he spoke about his early influences and the release of early Wood Green mixtape ‘Mobstarz Most Hated Vol 1’. Michael Gaynor was one of two leading figures in the Wood Green MOB to receive recent ASBOs. Fellow member Rowan Lopez was banned from entering Wood Green from 2011 until 2013. It was an extension of an earlier ASBO he was granted in 2009. Like Gaynor, he has been prohibited from posting videos online showing him inciting people to violence and promoting gang activity and identity. Both males had long histories of offending going back to their teens including robbery and weapon offences. Another leading figure of the current olders was arrested and charged with possession with intent to supply class A drugs and sentenced to two years in 2011. Another member of the Wood Green MOB, Terrence Abalola also known as Ghost, 18, was sentenced to four years in 2010. It came after a teenager arranged for his 15-year-old cousin to be beaten, robbed and sprayed with tear gas during a house robbery. Abalola led two other teens, all in masks, into the cousins home in Stoke Newington where they attacked the boy. They screamed at him ‘where’s your stuff’, at which point he recognised one of the voice having shared a McDonald’s meal with one of them in Wood Green just two days earlier. The three robbers fled with the boy’s TV, Xbox games console, laptop computer, mobile phone, £300 cash and his mothers iPod Touch. The younger generational iterations of the gang begin to go by the various sets: Mobstarz City of Gods Hoodfellas North Bangers Paper Before Pussy They all collectively rep Wood Green and share in the same allies and and enemies.
2011 - present
After this the gangs in London started to drop the usage of Crips and Bloods into the gang names and began to use gang names that are more modern and still in usage as of the present day and that includes all Haringey based gang. The current day allies of Wood Green continue to be the Shankstarz from Edmonton, who today are now known as 3x3, P-Town (Palmers Green), Arnos Grove, London Fields Boys formerly who have now cut ties with Wood Green MOB and have no ties to the current faction known as Zero Tolerance and the remaining former members of the now defunct Shadow Kings. There have been some links with Dem Africans (shared link with Shadow Kings) and Young Dem Africans, however the picture is less clear because the latter have historic roots in Tottenham, and Dem Africans have since become #900. Despite this, a senior member of the Wood Green MOB accompanied a handful of Young Dem African members to West Green Road, Tottenham, in September 2009 where they were fired at by a prominent member of the Ida Bloodstarz with a sub machine gun. All fled from the gunfire and escaped without serious injury. Another link, although less relevant owing to distance, is with MPR (Make Paper Regardless) who are from west London (Shepherd's Bush and South Acton). The association with MPR was built by members who were serving custodial sentences in a London prison. Rappers/Drillers in the drill era from Wood Green MOB like Lampz and Jigga J took a foothold in the drill and gang life scene. Lampz aka Kelvin Odunuyi was a very well known gang member and was deeply hated by his enemies because pressurised Tottenham and Hoxton heavily. In 2018, at the Hollywood Wood Green cinema, a motorcycle that came down from Lordship Lane (the road that leads from Wood Green into the N17 postal district) drove towards the entrance of the cinema and one of the two on the motorcycle fired shots through the window and circled back to deliver a final fatal shot to the head of Odunuyi. Many saw it as a revenge attack for Odunuyi's alleged involvement in the death of Kobi Nelson, a former NPK member who reformed as an anti-crime campaigner, Jigga J was involved and sentenced to life for the death of Nelson.
2020.08.28 01:37 Sanity0004My journey through The Challenge for the first time. (Part 6: Battle of the Seasons. Easily my longest post so far. Oof)
Probably a lot of errors and screw ups in this long winded rant/live watch. I'm sorry it's this long. I might need a damn break after this season. Boy, this took some wind out of my sails. This was rough. Battle of the seasons: Ok, I've heard I'm in for a string of really good seasons. Let's go! 1: A whole lot of people I don't recognize at all. (I'm totally fine with this.) Sarah looking different! I like it! Danny and Melinda on the same season? Why weren't they on Exes? I have limited exposure to Chet, but I like him! Danny looks so different in his confessionals. Knight being a dick right off the bat. Damn. Oh hell, this Pennsatucky looking chick. Actually like seeing Jonna and Jasmine again. I thought I recognized Trishelle and Alton, hey I watched that season! These fresh off the Real World rookies(Saint Thomas?) seem awkward. So far, I'm really liking the looks of this cast. A lot of newer people, the old school vets are low in numbers. I'm liking this a lot. "Best challenge house ever." Nah man, Fresh Meat 2's house was awesome. This Frank dude does NOT give off good vibes right off the bat. I'm all for the Sarah/Chet team up. Wes shenanigans off the bat. Oh shit, another team? No clue who it could be. Oh shit. I am soooo for this. Cara, Big Easy, Brandon and Camilla. I'm good with all four! Please Brandon, don't get screwed again! I swear to god I could already see some Wes shenanigans of getting Easy/Cara to put in Brandon/Camilla or some shit. Don't you do it! I feel like Austin is screwed with Melinda and Lacey. Melinda was never all that good in these challenges and Lacey doesn't look competitive at all. Calling Jonna and Jasmine weak? They were small but seemed strong and wirey as hell. Why is Cara Maria's name on her shirt like added on? lol Was she a last minute substitute or something? Everyone elses name is white letters on the shirt, but hers looks like it's a white printout strip thrown on the front of the shirt. Big Easy making a great first impression... Good job bud! God damn Eric. God Damn dude. Losing weight ain't shit for this show if you aren't also getting stronger and working on endurance. As a newer viewer not knowing a lot of these people, this is a terrible first comp for judging people and their performance for first impressions. A lot of times its just names and seasons and there's no real way to tell anyone apart most of the time. Why is this season treating just falling in the water so much worse? Just seems like a big escelation in the dramatization of danger. Only the first episode and it's had two falls in the water cut to commercial for drama. Exes alone had like 7 or 8 falls worse than any of these that were barely even noted on? lol Did this season suddenly have a big editing change? So far I hate the editing on this season. So much added dramitization and commercial cuts. This show never felt that dramatized before this. Yes there were dramatic cuts to commercials and everything, but saying who the power team was? Fresh Meat getting out of the car? This is feeling too much like modern overdramatization of reality tv. Ugh, Wes instantly on his shit. I like people owning their shit, but he's just a little too much sanctimonious about it. Shocked they had no time with the Fresh Meat team with reactions after the challenge. So much more focus on the rookies and newbies. First go off the bat gonna be all vets of the challenge. Nice. Wanting Austin gone, but then picking physical against Fresh Meat? These new peeps don't seem the brightest. Wes seems so slimmed down more than the last couple seasons. Wonder if he took the finals of Rivals to heart and been more focused on endurance and cardio? I am so confused by this Frank and Zach guy...like....sexually. There's some strong homoerotic vibes going on right now. I said it once, I'll say it again and again. Angry drunk is a damn requirement for this show. Jonna, did you not watch the Exes reunion?! Ok she's at least going to call the dude before it goes on and on and farther and farther. "My hearts pounding because I'm so excited you called." This is the ultimate of unconfortableness. I love the way this phone call is starting off haha I LOVE IT. Cara Maria what the shit? All of a sudden wanting to get cold feet? I still don't understand why Cara's shirt is different than everyone elses. Oh shit, well this is the best possible case for Big E, damn. Tackle the dude and keep moving. My faith in Austin just plummeted. Lacey has no chance and Wes has a less than normal chance. Well that was instant. I actually wish these guy and girl elim's worked indipendantly. Why should a team lose two, could just lose the girl or guy seperately. Have both compete, but I'd more like the chance of two teams potentially losing one each rather than one team losing 2. Eric just fucking tore through Wes like it was fucking nothing. I knew Eric had this, but shit that was nuts. Wes trying to be smart and go under. I think Eric got it. Wes swung his arm out too much, he lagged behind. Danny and Melinda just on their own battle of the exes now. 2: The combo of Knight and Jemmye makes that season of Real World seem like the absolute most off brand casting I've seen on MTV lmao New crew coming in with alliances. Good to see people aren't just coming in doing whatever vets or older cast say or say is normal. A giant pit of olive oil....ewe I look at that red line and wonder if someone is about get their back broken. Oh ok, I can see the appeal of this comp immediately. I like the schoolyard pick of this type of comp. Punches and drop kicks and neck grabs all in the first guy/guy face off? Damn these newbies came in heated. "Too much sensitivity in these newbie." Ok, I'm loving this post-win Camilla. Jonna, man, just instantly stepping out. Newbies coming in actually thinking about these games smartly. It's actually nice seeing this from people other than Johnny/Kenny/Evan and Wes. Man they just completely close out multiple teams from even trying. Damn. I'm glad the vets aren't just taking it sitting down and instantly strategizing themselves. Hahaha, I love that this became a thinking mans challenge throwing competition. The people playing around and goofing off is just all around great. That Big Easy has to sit here and talk to Cara and Camilla to actually play politics. Seriously guys, you two specifically have scated on being on the vets side so damn much to be talking shit about having to play politics. Brandon and Big Easy deserve better. I'm a fan of these rookies coming in and wanting too say fuck how this game has been played in the past. Yes, I don't really know them, and we don't have any vested interest in any of them, but this is how EVERY SINGLE PERSON should be coming in to this game. Fuck how it was played in the past, play it how you want to play it. The best possible outcome of this is multiple people coming in like this and having a good tug and pull for control throughout the season. It's how you get evolutions in strategy. Instant talk of love and connections bug the hell out of me. Jonna and her "I've never felt this way with a guy" come on chick, it's been a couple days. Oh god, Melinda getting in this fight is hilarious. It almost got the girls into a fight lmao I am not here for this New Orleans cast. Knight seems like a Vinny mixed with Johnny wannabe or something. Cara Maria seems extra whiny this season. I haven't seen her not whining yet. Brandon, I like you, but don't just come in and say "This is my fourth challenge, I'm tired of eliminations." Dude, did you come in expecting that vet shit too? Come on man. I have to assume that they have to give the producers who they want sent in before they get to see the comps right? I mean, why wouldn't you just wait til you see it and then decide? I don't like this Frank guy. He may be the head dude in charge with alliances and stuff, but he's not a great personality. He's not a fun evil, or fun bad guy to root for. He's just kind of annoying? Is Camilla going to be tall enough for this? On these type of competitions, why wouldn't you just sit back and wait until the last 30 seconds and then just send everything back? Glad to see Fresh Meat stick around. No real surprise to see Danny Melinda go out so fast. I feel like Austin being gone was like the Legacy members being gone. Yeah there is still vets left, but the rest left aren't really as well established. 3: Big Easy getting some female interest? Hell yeah! Damn Trishelle was gone for two episodes and comes blasting in with "Sarah is manipulative!" I can't take this Knight dude. I like this challenge a lot. Fresh Meat is definitely screwed, but I like it. Yup, there goes Easy. What the hell is with this dude? He was never a bad guy in these regular challenges. He was always decent but never the worst, never this damn bad. This competition really doesn't seem hard. It's more about concentration than anything else. Other than Eric the only thing people struggled on was not paying attention to placing the hook correctly. Does each team have their own van/bus? Seems extravigant... Damn Trishelle, you seem to be way more manipulative right now than Sarah is? You're the one running around telling everyone Sarah is manipulating Alton, but what you're doing is manipulating every team against one person. I understand the politics of wanting to stick with the alliance, but you're being crazy about it. Trishelle lmao "I'm a poker player, don't fuck with me." If I hear I'm a poker player one more damn time! Damn Camilla, chill chick. Brandon trying to talk you up and get you out of your shitty mood and you just start screaming? "Go fuck yourself!" "I will, I do it every single day!" I love it! hahaha Cut to them talking about the argument. Huuuuge pet peeve of mine, discussing how the argument progresses and takes place and not focusing at all on why the argument happened. "You said some things in there that hurt and I don't know where they come from." What about the fact that you blew up because the guy was trying to talk you up?! Thank you Chet! Trishelle, you're off your rocker. Why does Trishelle have this huge hate for Sarah? I feel like there is some context outside of the game or something? Why does she come in saying she's the most manipulative person in the game? What? Cara has a point. If something gets hard and you say you want to quit, who's to say you won't do the same another time? That being said Cara just seems so damn whiney this season. Trishelle pissed when Sarah volunteers herself lmao Chet and Sarah vs Brandon and Cara? In this type of challenge? I think Fresh Meat's about to lose... Spending so much time pulling the rope seems like a waste of time. You're never going to get that damn far you only have 10 minutes. I don't know who I want to stay more. I kind of want Cara gone, but I don't want Brandon gone. Definitely want to keep Sarah/Chet around. Not really surprised by the outcome. Oh fuck off Cara. "The joke is Camilla is stuck with Big Easy. You seemed to so obviously come in to this season expecting to scate by on the vets take care of vets game style and obviously never expected to go in to any elimination. I'd say Brandon got screwed again by a disfunctional team. Cara and Big easy is a tough saddle to bare. Get that girl big easy! 4: Devyn really? Dating guys collecting social security? really? This fucking Knight guy. God dammit. Trying to mentally breaking people? Really reafirming my Johnny take... The new orleans cast as a whole looks like they were side castmembers on MTV's Buckwild and they threw them on Real World after Gandee died and the show was cancelled. That's my headcannon. Eric talking shit, but obviously struggling holding the basket before anything is put in it... Damn dude, going hard on Brooklyn. Chet lol "Don' apologize, it doesn't mean shit." Damn Easy, fucking keep going. The basket is just filling up. Frank seems like a bitch. I am absolutely loving this "Alliance" breaking the fuck apart already. lmao They're all seeing a pecking order and little spites and shit's gonna blow. Love it. LOVE IT. Keep fighting! I have a feeling this season is about to get real damn heated. "Team meeting" this should go swell "We're in an alliance with you....but not really we want your team in." Sending in Fresh Meat again? Pussed out already? "Why is Brooklyn on the bottom every time?" Safe to say all these newbies got the JEK style of strategy. Clearly have a pecking order, but lets not acknowledge the pecking order. That's just messed up. Why would you think there's an pecking order? How dare you! Now you're just making yourself a target! Camilla, you won a season by getting to the end with alliances. What are you talking about? Vets so clearly came in expecting it to be a vets to the end automatic run. Be careful Camilla, that New Orleans cast look like they would actually start stabbing people. Especially the Pennsatucky looking chick. After a comp? Everyone with their own bus. After partying and drinking? Cram all these drunk fucks in a bus! Oh boy, you guys are underestimating Camilla if you think she would get her ass kicked. I'd put that money on Camilla. Everyone just fucking throwing 'bows and shit. Body check after body check. I love this alliance. How Nany kept her top on the entire time I have no idea. Knight telling Trishelle that he's the best manipulator in the house? Better watch out. Lose an alliance mate for simply suggesting that it isn't Sarah. Ughhh god, I can't take more of this Knight dude. He obviously took extensive notes on JEK's tips on playing the game. Nany you're bitching to Fresh Meat about not losing and not going into elimination? You dense bitch! IDK Devyn, you said you date people who collect social security. I feel like Easy should be a little uneasy on the dodginess. Not that it really matters, but the dodginess is weird. Fucking Knight coming to the rescue lmao Oh fuck off with this dumb suspense! 5: Big E, what the fuck. I understand it's hard, but you don't fucking quit. Fuck off Big E. You lost all my respect dude. It's like you get yelled at to keep trying and you get ptsd for Gauntlet or some shit and you just give up. Fuck off. Talking all kinds of shit about Camilla talking down to E, but fuck that she was telling him to try and that he has to think positively. She didn't talk shit till his dumb ass quit. I now understand why people look back to gauntlet 3 far worse. At the time I just saw it as the dude biting on more than he can chew, but he stuck with it until he literally couldn't. Now he's just a quitter. What in the hell. Nice bit of trivia for Sarah: she lives trivia. I think I hate Trishelle. I think it's a couple episodes in, enough to say that I really dislike Trishelle. I just got done watching Exes and I couldn't tell you what Island they go to at the end. "If looks could kill, I'd be so dead." TJ is killing me this episode. I love these trivia comps. It comes down to Chet in a spelling bee lol San Diego and Trishelle are basically my shit list. New Orleans would be on there too, but with them it's more of a disgust thing. This Pennsatucky chick just gave me Pennsatucky vibes before because of looks, but her flipping out and being a control freak continues to give me Pennsatucky vibes. What is New Orleans doing? lmao they're slowly tryin to walk the things to the wall lol Goodbye I guess? Wait...what? Why is there more than one round? There was only one round the first time... Only one 5 minute round the first time and 3 90 second rounds this time around? It makes sense, but why did they only now think of this or make this change? Good for Brooklyn. 6: Fucking Frank. This dude is a cuntnugget. This cast, or these newer players seem to take this game way more personal. Like the older school players seem to be able to openly realize it's a game and they're able to mostly put stuff away and have fun and chill when it isn't game related. This cast just seems to outright hate everything and will not put stuff aside for even a second. Frank is just so damn smug, but he somehow still comes off as insecure? Like he has to try to prove himself any time another guy even thinks of talking to him or gets attention. Why is Nany crying just entering the challenge? The Horse mask lol I think I'm on Team Brooklyn and Team Cancun at this point. And Teacm fuck San Diego and fuck Team Vegas. Saint Thomas barely even exists at this point. Ear pull seems like the weirdest pointless crapshoot of a "competition" Team Buckwild vs Vegas in a jousting competition lol I guess I'm hoping for Vegas as they might make an attempt at San Diego since they know they comtemplated going after them the previous episode. "I'm stronger!" "It's a fish!" "What does that have to do with this?" "It's a fifteen pound fish!" I love this argument. She dropped the fish haha I don't know if Laura deserves much respect really. Has she even had a single second of screen time before this? I actually feel like Knight of anyone would come in here to fuck shit up with this power team. Alton wanting his own team thrown in lmao He's opening talking about wanting to leave, but he's talking to the two girls who would literally have to go too. What an idiot. This season is going to start to annoy the hell out of me. Alton you dumb bitch. Yeah, just not let Alton go in. Frank, shut up. He wasn't allowed to do it, you idiot. That the other teams just sat there and thought the rest of the team would just let Alton lose for the team is hilarious. Now all of them are wanting to jump in on Alton. What is with these baby clowns? I feel like they shouldn't really care at this point because they didn't like Trey and Laura from Saint Thomas anyways. So even if they lose what does it matter to them? These guys are absolute bitches lol Seeing how exhausting the first rope dome comp went, I'm surprised these teams didn't focus more on alternating vertically over and over again. The pulling the rope was the hardest part and pulling it through the top would be the most exhausting. Basically go over the top, do a bottom not, go back over the top and repeat over and over again. It wouldn't even need to be complicated, just exhausting. It's the strategy comp for a reason. Frank and Zach just descheveled lol Not even wanting to look. Besides maybe Trey, I feel like this whole Saint Thomas cast is completely forgettable. I would be surprised to see any of them again. "What they're doing to your team is what I did to people in high school." Nice self own? Calling yourself a bully? lol 7: I spoke too soon, maybe they are able to just put everything aside for some fun. There's been so little of Jonna and Jasime this season. Kind of surprising. Glad to see some competitions that more resemble something close to a final challenge. "I don't know how I got this reputation for being good at puzzles." "Because you brag about it." love Chet. All this Cancun screen time makes me think they're for sure going in to the arena. They've been pretty absent. Sarah with the helpful tips! "Prove you're more than just high heels!" "I'm not!" this episode is hilarious so far. Now you just know to drop Devyn soon. Fuck Zach and Frank. I'm pro Sam. "I'm just encouraging you, STOP WHINING!" Hahahahaha Funniest episode of The Challenge to this point. How the hell do you get through the whole thing and just now realize there are extra pieces? Brooklyn took that! Nice. Cancun being a damn team. Frank and Zach are fucking disgusting. "Yoou don't like me telling you to speed up! FUCK YOU, YOU FUCKING FATASS!!!" Frank and Zach are just spoiled children turned bullies. I think this season has the most cast I actively hate. Robb trying not to call TJ a bitch because he thought he said they lost. lmao What the fuck was that? Frank and Zach act like twin brothers that will just say anything and do anything to back each other up. Frank "Zach trying to make me look like the bad guy." hahahahaha does this mother fucker not hear himself? At all? Was it you yelling "You selfish piece of shit!" or "You fat bitch!" Frank, Zach doesn't have to try... I love the infighting. I looooooooooooooove seeing Frank cry. I don't know if it's likely, but Frank leaving right now would blow this game wide the hell open. Come on. Seeing a note for someone else and reading it and laughing? Come on... It's not a prank, its malicious. Just a good reminder I hate Pennsatucky and the BuckWild team. Ha, suddenly Frank doesn't want to go in! Frank saying flat out that Sam won't be able to do it. These complete babies. Have I expressed how much I fucking love this episode yet? I'm giddy. I don't even think it will take Frank going home to break this game open. I think this team and alliance is fucked. "If we were so hellbent on our word, I'd be going in with Ashley, but we're not so I'm not going in." What?! What technicality bullshit are you trying finagle your dumb ass out of right now you scared little bitch? lol I hate Frank. "Don't be upset, I'm here for you." Frank fuuuuuuck off with your dumbass back and forth bullshit. "Sam, you suck and you're going to lose. But hey, I'm here for you!" lmao This is Sociopath level manipulation. Glad CJ could take this "Note prank" a lot more lighthearted than I'd be able to. I wasn't aware they could only be unsure on one of the people going in to the arena? I thought for sure on a previous one the guys were pretty set and the girls weren't and both were picked? Like they didn't even give a chance for the guys to step up after the girls went in the power team just picked both. Then I'm even more confused by them telling Brooklyn they have total control, but then only having them pick the guy. WHAT ARE THE RULES!!!! CJ being so close with San Diego bothers me. CJ himself seems cool, but I can't trust someone that would be close with these guys. Maybe this comp is a lot harder than it looks lol Sam pulling it out during this is great. I find it curious that they haven't shown Frank or Ashley cheering on their team at all... "Hey Frank! Fuck you!" I love to see it. Glad to see Pennsatucky and Shain Gandee be eliminated. "They haven't been able to win one challenge without me." Frank....THEY JUST FUCKING DID!!!!! You dumb bitch! 8: "I just need to get them to the end, so I can lead it." Oh the ego Frank. Trishelle reminding me I don't like her. Calling Frank a pawn and that he got played? What?! Lol, how? What are you even talking about? I love whatever this gameshow schtick is. "Guys, you can't make me look dumb." Jesus fucking christ Frank. This is how you start a challenge? "Hmm, now you're quiet." You toddler. Ok, I think Trishelle was feeding the fire on her pawn talk. She's sitting back loving the infighting. These numbers on this food is ridiculous. More than 10 baklava a peice in 4 minutes? That seems insane. I don't even know what this second thing is. Devyn and Sarah is just devouring these things. This one I actually think they'll get. The instant reaction to JD almost puking was great. "JD, don't you dare! You hold that shit down!" Chilis, now this number should be high as hell. I'm surprised how low they are. Sure they're hot but they're easy to eat. Put like 4 of those shits in your mouth at a time. Vegas, good job making the team lose by having to eat the food. lol Brooklyn, the power team again! "And testicles make semen. I don't want neither anywhere near my mouth." Zach, you liar. Glad to see San Diego going in again. I love love love every time I see Frank losing it. You mean egotistical bitch that instantly cracks under the tiniest bit of scrutiny from someone he can't just bully in to silence or isn't ganged up on. Sending in Cancun when you know it's going to be physical seems real dumb... CJ not knowing how damn feisty and strong Jasmine is in these elims. Sending Zach and Sam in again. Frank is straight bitches. At least Ashley wanted to go in. Wow, everyone shitting on Jonna. God damn people. Trishelle calling her trash lol Am I the only one who remembers how tenacious and strong Jasmine was in these kind of elims? This just seems like the smarter choice. Eh, she still lost. Darn. Yessssssss, Zach getting his ass trounced. Annnnnd he won. Damn. Don't you fucking go back to being buddy buddy with Frank. Fuck that noise. 9: Is this a longer season? I feel like we're not preparing for the final at this point? Ugh, San Diego doing team motivation bullshit is just gross. Stop it. You disgust me. It's weird seeing TJ without a hat so much this season. I'm really liking the variety of challenges this season. Yeah, no mention of the final. Must have more episodes to go than I thought.(I'm not looking out of stubbornness) Robb, literally not being able to get the first bouie. I kind of have sympathy for Trishelle panicking with salt water. I have the same issue. It's a weird sensitivity to salt water. I am the biggest fan of water and swimming, have never had issues in my life, but any time I get in to saltwater for the first time in a while, my mind goes through this panic the first time I taste saltwater every single time. It's like you can't breathe and you can't help it. Body just goes in instant panic and can't control it. As much as I dislike Trishelle, I completely get this specific issue. It's a completely mental side effect that you really can't help at all. There's literally nothing you can do about it but wait it out. Eventually your mind just adjusts to it. Alton, don't talk shit. You literally threw your team in the arena and wanted to quit while taking out a team mate like two weeks ago. "I am a southern man, and you know I don't talk to women like that." lol Dustin Zach shut up. "We wanted to send ourselves because we feel pretty comfortable." I feel like these people are not thinking about the comp types at all when they're making their choices. Vegas is all tall and you want them out so you throw them in endurance? Frank isn't even being talked to, but he HAS to jump in with "Don't you point your finger at me." as she waives her hand meaning everyone lol Frank you whiny bitch that just wants an excuse to scream at people. Chaos ensues because Frank had to make it two on one and had to jump in to an argument that he knew he had numbers on. Has Frank had any altercation where he is the only person involved? Other than with his own friends? Talks a lot of shit, but I haven't seen him say shit unless he's got people around him. I'm not sure I even know who this Derrick guy is... The Challenge and it's tradition of angry drunk casting. "Nany, I was drunk and emotional, give me a break." Dude you got yourself fucking in this argument when you had numbers. Wait....Dustin did gay porn? lol That's actually surprising. You can tell Frank is the most insecure baby bully. You jump in to an argument and as soon as you can't just railroad the argument you just go as personal and as dirty as possible. Frank is a punk bitch. Plain and simple. If I was in Dustin's position, I'd punch Frank and it'd be worth it. "Those are just porn muscles." God I fucking hate this dude. I really want to know how many cast members actually get in fights outside of the house. Afraid of Alton wanting to go home all over again. "It's not fair people underestimating me." Dude, you've talked about going home multiple times! Trishelle just gonna let the other team decide lol That's not the way to come out ahead in this fight. You suck just as much. Wow Trishelle....wow. Good on you Nany, dumb, but good on you. Trishelle instantly calling anyone that disagrees her a psycho. Alton possibly not trying? Say it ain't so! It more looks like Nany isn't trying on this third round. Every time it shows her it looks like she's ignoring ones that go past her and basically walking to the balls. Trishelle, you trash. Do we really need to see Frank's reaction to the results? Really? Dustin: "Remember this." Trishelle is garbage, but that doesn't stop you from competing dude. 10: "It's hard to get him to see the big picture. He's very child like." Bitch you lost a challenge, refused to go in because you were afraid of losing, then basically forced your teammate to go in instead and they went home. I know it's not all your fault, but you definitely caused this. "I can already feel this money in my pocket."-Chet, this is never a good sign. Zach lol "I'm pissed now. I'm going too take it out on Chet and JD, I don't care." Alright Zach and Frank, time to lock penises and become one. Brooklyn guys falling. Ya'll suck. Wow, guys being DQ'd what in the hell guys? Sarah and Devyn straight look pissed. lol Chet not exactly backing JD up when he says "Believe me, I was in the tube with him." but then backing him up lol It'd be dumb to NOT put in Brooklyn at this point. This cast seems like everything is so personal. Wanting to put in Marie for pushing Derek and Sam being in the way. Not wanting Cancun in solely because of Jonna. Marie, I'm not speaking is not the way to approach this. Calling her a brat because you just don't want to send in your girl lol These people act like it was some vicious and malicious act to push Sam. She pushed Derek. Sam was just behind him and got Derek pushed in to her. It's a dumb thing to get mad about. Just seems like a dumb idea throwing Saint Thomas in. If the final isn't next you have an advantage by having a full team in these team comps. Geesh, this feels like the first time they've gone out all season. "When did you grow a dick anyways?" Frank, taking absolutely zero seconds to go personal lol You're only just now seeing Franks true colors? Nah, you just weren't on the receiving end of it. You just chose to be fine with it before. "Well I'll kill your man, how about that?" "OH yeah?! I'll kill your girl, how about that?" What and the fuck am I watching? lol Wait, are Robb and Marie actually dating or something? I always saw them kiss, but it seemed like a weird brothesister kiss. I always thought it was weird and awkward. Marie: "Your whole team knows you're a weirdo." She says to the team who all openly accepts being the outcasts and weirdos lmao "You're just riding Jonna's coattails." That may be the best dig I've heard the entire season. Angry drunks, angry drunks everywhere. "Trishelle is like the newly divorced mom that's trying to party with her kids." Damn this episode is getting in some good digs. It took you getting close to them too realize they're similar? It's not focusing on Vegas much and just looking in the background it looks like Dustin is staying in the water constantly. I think Trishelle is colorblind or something lol How she's having this much trouble is kind of astounding. Dustin seems to be killing it for her to not be doing better. No Trishelle, Dustin is making it look good. You are trash and are completely blowing it. Good god, I'd have been so pissed if I was Dustin and Trishelle lost that for you. She was having to literally check every single one of the cards. Good god. "The house is probably happy. Don't have to deal with two drunk asses t-rex'ing around the house." What? Marie your only contribution to the show was the 3 times you got mad. Ok, so one more challenge then final. So 2 episodes to go? Maybe 3? Ok, I was against the location changes lately, but I'm liking them going to afrika. That could be a really interesting intense final. 11: "We're in Africa, we came here to poach!" oof That atv looks tiny with the angle it's showing it. "You don't even have to get your hair wet!" I like Brooklyn I feel like Dustin is puking after every challenge. Sarah going slow, but nice to see her whole team rally around her afterward. Zach looks like he literally can't swim. Vegas to the finale is kind of disappointing. Honestly as much as I hate it you probably throw in Brooklyn. You either want a team out or you possibly weaken Brooklyn in some way. Who won a previous challenge that was very similar to a final. San Diego is a fine choice. You want to weaken them to possibly weaken them too. Frank can not STAND being talked aboout. I fucking love it. Oh my god...you talked about how he didn't fly far in the challenge that he had no control over? Time to get personal! Why did Cancun stop like they were done? I don't know if it's editing or if they gassed out but it looked like Cancun got near the end and just stood there barely doing anything. "I don't know if anyone can finish this final." But I will fucking ridicule you to no end if you fucking quit!!!!! So if you can't finish just fucking die!!!!! signed with love, TJ Thermal underwear? Guess a two night final. Ugh "Could there be very little running involved?" Devyn, have you seen this show? Frank Praying just pisses me off more. Fuck off dude. Why is it trying to make this skydive prep sound creepy? It's got like high tone horror movie music over it. 12 Jumping off a plane and then just starting to jog like normal would feel so anticlimactic lol not sure why but just seems like a weird shift. Frank and Zach are instantly bitching. FUCK "You're not gonna talk to me? You're not going to talk to your teammate?" Sure, put the onus on Sam, Frank. It definitely has nothing to do with you verbally abusing her the entire time and just coming back to yell at her more... "I'd say I'm the smartest person here." Stay humble Frank. "I'd hate to hand over 250k to a bunch of bullies." I always knew I liked Sarah! There was just that one bad season of her working with Kenny. Trishelle just spent time in a helicopter and somehow looks more tired now. Oh my god. These people are terrible. Sam falls and they scream "You did that on your own!" and pick her up and tell her she's acting like a 3 year old. I can't tell you how much I hate these fucking people. I'd rather have 3 Wes's screaming "You dumb bitch" for hours than how these dumb fucks act. Chet getting in on the shit talking of his own team... I swear if Frank and Zach win this I will riot. If Frank and Zach get lost in a dune slide or something I won't be sad. I promise, I won't bat an eye. This fucking shit ass team. They literally can't stop bitching even when she's laying down. "I'm going to strangle her!" At least Brooklyn isn't fucking screaming and yelling at Devyn like she's a crying child on the ground. Jesus. Sarah killing it at checkpoints. Just perpetual sad face. I regret everything. Trash finale. I'm just going to imagine the season is 11 episodes and the footage for 12 got lost. My head cannon is they wait until San Diego gets to the finish and TJ says they're DQ'd for abuse and incessant berating of a teammate. Ugh, do I even want to watch the Reunion? Unless someone literally beats the shit out of Frank on stage I don't think I'll be happy. Reunion: I want to know how much Frank bitched for San Diego being in the back. Why the fuck are the reunions mostly clip shows?! Frank looking stunned that she's still mad. Money should make up for it right? Frank is trying soo hard to act cheerful and happy. Fuck off dude. "It wasn't hard for me, I got to walk thanks to a teammate." Fuck off. Fuck off. Fuck the fuck off. Frank trying to come off like he is mad at what happened is going to send me over the edge. I am actually advocating for full on assault at this point. Sam/Frank for Rivals 2? We just not going to address Frank at all on this reunion? Fucking hell? Sure let's continue to bag on Sam. Sure lets fucking do that. "Guys she's really not the victim here." JESUS CHIST It was verbal abuse. You're disgusting to even pretend it was anything different. Wow the reunion is making it fucking worse. Lets just get the whole cast to rag on Sam. Jesus. And we're just not going to talk about Frank at all other than the push? And don't even pretend you were pushing everyone up a hill in that clip. That push wasn't on a damn hill and the other two were well ahead. There was a damn shot that showed above it at the same time. The team of Brooklyn is getting more shit on than Frank and Zach. This is gross. I stopped watching. I don't even like a majority of these people and don't care. I think I need a break after this season. I don't even know what to put for a final thoughts type of thing. Just a big giant fucking OOF. This was gross.
2020.08.26 16:09 jensyaoA sparse timeline of Nas' and Jay's beef and what transpired
PRE Jay-z takeover No Nas and Jay releases on the same day 1993
1993 - Jay creates "Understand Me", which samples 2Pac's "Pain" on the chorus and shouts out 2Pac in various songs on his demo tape because 2Pac was in legal trouble at the time and was holding a crusade with his Thug Life movement but then Jay has the nerve to say "too much west coast dick licking" on 22 two's in 1996, injecting him into the east/west beef after being on the sidelines of rap for so long before he had a deal https://www.datpiff.com/Jay-Z-Jay-z-Before-The-Demos-mixtape.685651.html
Apr 19, 1994 - Nas releases Illmatic and rappers had to learn new rap styles to adjust to Nas' rhyming paradigm shift. Nas introduces the concept that multiple big name producers can contribute to one artist's album
Sept 13, 1994 - Biggie releases Ready to Die. Nas was supposed to be on Biggie's Gimme the loot remix but got too high and went home
Nov 30, 1994 - 2Pac saw Biggie upstairs in quad studios but got shot in a robbery and was told later in jail that Biggie's homeboy shot him. 2Pac's animosity grew against BIG for not telling him who robbed him, saying wreckless things on radio stations and not shouting him out, and he was also paranoid that Biggie's "Who Shot Ya" was making fun of 2Pac's situation, thus starting the east coast west coast beef once 2Pac got bailed out of jail by Deathrow
Aug 1, 1995 - Rekwon releases "only built for cuban linx" - Nas drops a prolific verse on Raekwon's "Verbal Intercourse" recycled from "deja vu" and Ghostface in a skit from the same album said Biggie bit off Nas' idea of having a kid on the album cover and the kid wasn't even Biggie, which initiated tensions between Nas and Big
Feb 13, 1996 - 2Pac releases All Eyez on Me - 1st commercially successful rap double disk. 2Pac first established credibility before going on his revenge tour of the people who wronged him
June 4, 1996 - 2Pac disses Biggie on "Hit Em Up" but removes his outro rant about Jay-Z last minute (as a response to "Who Shot Ya" and getting shot in quad studios while going to court and getting jailed for a fallacious rape charge)
June 25, 1996 - Jay releases reasonable doubt (1 month prior to Nas, has 1 Biggie feature, Nas refused to redo the chorus for Dead Presidents 1 and 2 and Jay had to sample Nas even though it was searchlight publishing that Jay paid for the sample)...this is a lose-lose situation for Nas because he had to travel uptown to just record a chorus? It makes him look desperate and Nas was big at the time and should not be accessible to cosign someone who doesn't have an album out yet...Jay says there's too much west coast dick licking but then proceeds to sample Snoop Dogg on D'Evils. Jay's style was to sample some well known rapper on the chorus for clout like he did 2Pac, Nas, Mobb Deep, and Snoop
July 2, 1996 - Nas releases it was written ("Fake Thug, no love" triggers 2Pac because "The Message" resembles 2Pac getting shot but Nas was going against Biggie saying there is "one king" of NY, "Street Dreams" beat sounds like "All Eyez On Me" so Nas had to release a remix with the beat changed with R Kelly) Jabs Jay-Z with "Lex with TV sets the minimum" because Jay had that
Sept 4, 1996 - Nas squashes beef with 2Pac in central park (2Pac tells Nas he will remove his disses about Nas but did not get a chance)
Sept 13, 1996 - 2Pac dies one day before Nas' birthday and Nas had to stop his concert to pay tribute (Jay still was trying to clout chase by dissing a dead man on "Dead or Alive" pt 1 AND 2...he did 2 songs after 2Pac died and they were weak as hell)
Nov 5, 1996 - 2Pac releases Makaveli 7 day theory (disses Nas on "Against All Odds" but removed "Watch Ya Mouth")
1996 - "Analyze This" by Lord Tariq featuring both Nas and Jay comes out but this was not a real collaboration. Shaq was trying to have features on his "can't stop the reign" album and he asked both Nas and Jay to lay a verse on the same instrumental. Both obliged but the track was scrapped where Lord Tariq later became the main artist for that single
Mar 9, 1997 - Biggie dies, leaving a vacancy for who would carry the torch for NY and Puffy made huge songs to preserve his memory
Mar 25, 1997 - Biggie releases Life After Death - 2nd commercially successful rap double disk (disses 2Pac on "Long Kiss Goodnight" and has another Jay-Z feature) Supposedly dissed ghostface, 2pac, Nas on Kick in the Door when he said mentioned about "so-called willies, thugs, and rapper-dons."
July 1, 1997 - Puff Daddy releases No way out (Jay did another feature with Biggie) Biggie raps about Nas' daughter Destiny on "Victory"
Oct 21, 1997 - Nas/the firm releases the album (where Foxy was bigging up Nas but it was Jay who was ghostwriting for Foxy, talking about Marcy on "affirmative action" and such)
Nov 4, 1997 - Jay releases in my lifetime vol 1 (1 month after Nas, "The City is Mine" - Took BIG's spot too early without having proved himself - "You held it down long enough, let me take those reigns") randomly bigs up The Firm on "Always be my sunshine" perhaps because that was the New Commission and that Jay wanted to join them but was able to channel his rhymes by ghost writing for Foxy. Jay sampled Nas again on "Rap Game, Crack Game" from "Represent"
Nov 25, 1997 - 2Pac releases R U still down, his 2nd double disk
1998 *Sept 1, 1998 - Nas on Fat Joe's "John Blaze" said "Like that nigga said in Dead Presidents, "Money to burn"".. https://genius.com/168510 Nas was mentioning the movie line but it's a slight/scorn to Jay because Jay named his single after the movie, which was originally named after the Nas line from "The World is Yours" * Sept 29, 1998 - Jay releases Hard knock life ("hard knock life" - still being disrespectful to the throne - "etched your name out, put jigga on top"..."money cash hoes" - "New York's been soft since Snoop crushed the buildings" also provoked Prodigy because Jay did not stick his neck out to do anything for the East/West beef, and Jay had $hort dog, a west coast artist on his album, so he was super hypocritical for his stance) Jay asks who's the best MC biggie jay-z or nas? on "where i'm from" by inserting himself into the conversation * 1998 - DMX dropped 2 albums in one year as the new rap artist, putting the pressure on Jay and Nas to release the next great commercially successful double disk because DMX at the time could have easily took the reign * Nov 24, 1998 - 2Pac releases greatest hits, 3rd double disk with the official release of "hit em up" 1999
Apr 6, 1999 - Nas releases I Am but it was supposed to be his double disk released as two albums due to bootlegging ("We Will Survive" - letter to BIG and 2Pac, checks Jay-Z - "using your name in vain, And they claim to be New York's king? It ain't about that")
Aug 3, 1999 - Jay goes on Memphis Bleek's single "What You Think of That" where Bleek on the chorus said "I'ma ball 'til I fall what you think of that?" and Jay on the verse said: "Like I ain't got the crown or suttin'/Like I ain't the nigga you base ya life on/I guess I ain't the reason you got that ice on" as a subliminal to Nas for "We Will Survive." Memphis bleek also borrows the "Nas is Like" rhyme scheme on "Memphis Bleek is"
Nov 23, 1999 - Nas releases Nastradamus ("Come Get Me", "Nastradamus" - "Ball til you fall I can help you with that, let a slug melt through your hat" checks Memphis Bleek's single with the same rhyme)
Dec 7, 1999 - Biggie releases Born Again with a posthumous collaboration with Nas and Jay is not on the album
Dec 28, 1999 - Jay releases vol 3: life and times (1 month after Nas, subliminally made fun of Nas sarcastically on "Come and Get Me" with his own track of a similar name)
1999 - Nas appears on a remix to r kelly's "Did you ever think" and Jay proceeded to do two joint albums with R Kelly while ignoring the obvious signs of R Kelly because Nas said Jay indulged in that type of behavior too with the likes of Foxy, who was 18 in 1997, and Beyonce was 18 in 1999, etc..ghostwriting for female rappers and having female R&B artists sing on your song was the move to get closer to them the way r kelly did with aaliyah
Sept 12, 2000 - Memphis Bleek releases The Understanding ("Is That Your Chick" is a radio single diss track (a move that Drake would copy) that is talking about Carmen, Nas' baby mama, and Jay's affair with her. Messy because twisa, missy, and timbo were on that track, straining their relationship with Nas. Memphis Bleek disses Nas' it was written on "mind right" and jacks Nas style on his album)
Fall 2000 - Nas drops a freestyle on Mobb Deep's Eye For an Eye freestyle on a DJ clue mixtape where he says: "You can't B.I., see I'm eternal, not luck/You get shot-up, boxed-up next for the grave/Your flow is one dimensional, your level is 2nd grade/You're on top -- WHAT?/Copy and fuck, I said it first, you repeated/Your false crown covered in dirt - defeated/Y'all niggas all hail, the King is dead/He running like a bitch with his tail between his legs/'Stillmatic', still eye 4 an eye, wanna be God/You're just the next rapper to die, fucking with Nas"
Oct 31, 2000 - Jay/roc releases dynasty la familia (Nas cliqued up and Jay cliqued up as well, 1 month prior to Nas to prove who has the better clique) Jay recites Biggie's lyrics on "I just wanna love you" line for line from "the world is filled"
Nov 21, 2000 - Nas releases QB's Finest (rewrites his verse to be tighter on Da Bridge 2001 - "Oh you didn't, wanna know whose life is written?/The life I'm livin/The ice the women/...La-ser, AR 15, doors come down Jaws is broke, your whole crew is coffin bound/Your hoe, your man, lieutenant, your boss get found" as a response to Memphis Bleek and the whole Rocafella crew)
POST Jay-Z takeover 2001
Jan 2001 - Jay and Rocafella goes to Hot 97 and spits on Queensbridge beats to disrespect artists from Queens. Mobb Deep was offended. When "Nas is Like" came on, Jay said it was too 'flutey' and offended DJ Premier, which is why DJ Premier and Jay no longer worked together after this. Jay later on Blueprint 2 in 2002 told Guru that he "brought the flutes in" as a half-apology that he dismissed DJ Premier's beats
Mar 27, 2001 - 2Pac releases Until the End of Time, 4th double disk (famously raps "Fuck Jay-Z" in the middle of "Fuck Friendz" later conveniently sampled for Ether) Someone at Deathrow must have been mad Jay remade 2Pac's "me and my girlfriend" because "Fuck Friendz" was track 2 on the album strategically placed like how "Takeover" and "Ether" were both track 2 on their respective albums
June 2001 - Jay performs initial Takeover Song on Hot 97 summer jam jabbing prodigy with one line towards Nas but didn't finish the record then: "Ask Nas he don't want it with Hov." Kanye produced the beat, which made him also responsible
Aug 2001 - Nas performs h to the omo on a radio station but Rocafella payola suppressed the freestyle (initiated Jay to write a response 3rd verse based on these lyrics for the album version of Takeover)
Sept 11, 2001 - Jay releases Blueprint (world trade attacks, also, 3 days before Nas' birthday) Jacks 2Pac's "Me and my girlfriend" on "03 Bonnie and clyde" with Beyonce, where the title itself jacks Eminem's "97 Bonnie and Clyde"..Kanye made the beat back when he was recreating various instrumentals that he likes and Jay paid tribute to 2Pac in the video...on "never change", jay rapped: "From the womb to the tomb/from now until my doom/Drink Army from one cup, pass it around the room/That's the ritual" which is biting Nas from verbal intercourse/deja vu: "From the womb to the tomb/presume/the unpredictable/Guns salute life, rapidly, that’s the ritual"...so on one record, you're dissing Nas and another one you're biting nas?
Dec 4, 2001 - Nas releases Ether and Got URself A... (NAS DROPPED THE SINGLES ON JAY'S BIRTHDAY like it was a mafia move and Jay found out later when he was at the club because a DJ played it)...Nas mocks Jay's "I Will Not Lose" from "U Don’t Know" on Ether 2001 - Jay had 3 attempts to get back at Nas but he kept on taking it back because it wasn't up to par. One of them was the original "Dont You know" but Jay revamped it into no subliminals for the Paid In Full Soundtrack. Called himself Euro-Jay but never played again..."people talkin" and "Don't you know" <-- Jay rehashed the "Don't you know" but the subliminals are still there talking about Nas' sphinx from I AM.. and throw in the towel, which is also a Nas line from "I want to talk to you"...and Jay still performs "don't you know" and "people talkin" with the Nas subliminals at his B Sides Concerts while Nas was backstage https://genius.com/a/jay-z-s-b-sides-2-concert-full-setlist-playlist
Dec 11, 2001 - Jay releases Supa Ugly (responded within 7 days as if it was a contemporary internet beef) Jay was forced to apologize on radio after his mom complained about his track
Dec 18, 2001 - Nas releases stillmatic and is crowned the winner by radio station polls ...Nas basically anticipated Jay was going to use Carman's relationship in the Supa Ugly response because of the "you know who did you know what to you know who" threat from Takeover so as a response, Nas on "You're Da Man" said "Your arms too short to box with God/I don't kill soloists, only kill squads/Fame went to they head, so now it's "Fuck Nas"/Yesterday you begged for a deal, today you tough guys/...Came in with my style, so I fathered you/I kept changing on the world since "... Barbeque"/Now you wanna hang with niggas I hung with/Fuck bitches I hit" and other songs like Destroy and Rebuild where he goes at Prodigy and Nature and pokes fun that Jigga want the crown. Nas anticipated that Jay may do a remake of Da Bridge is Over by BDP so he made it first as his rebuttal so that Jay cannot be remaking old songs to go at Nas, but Jay found other songs that he can remake to go at Nas
Dec 18, 2001 - Jay releases MTV unplugged (pits himself against Nas)
June 2002 - Nas goes to Power 105 to rant about Hot 97 not allowing him to lynch Jay-Z for summer jam and also rants about the current state of hip hop
Sept 24, 2002 - Nas releases lost tapes 1 (leftover tracks going against Jay) kanye produced for Nas as a peace offering for producing takeover. Lost Tapes could have been MUCH longer because so many songs were scrapped due to the bootlegging of I Am, Nas recording last minute new songs for Nastradamus, Nas blindsighted by Jay's diss to recreate Stillmatic, and Nas scrapping some concepts off God's Son.
October 29, 2002 - Eminem's 8 mile soundtrack comes out and features both Jay and Nas on separate songs. Jay was on-topic when rapping about 8 miles and running but Nas was going against Jay on his record. Eminem also rejected 2 previous Nas submissions before settling with "you wanna play rough?" as the soundtrack song. Nas was not cool with Eminem having Jay on the same soundtrack and his record looked out of place and foolish compared to the rest of the soundtrack. There are other times where Jay and Nas appeared on the same album such as Scarface's, where both parties had to rewrite or scrap their verses, but this was the most significant.
Nov 12, 2002 - Jay releases blueprint 2, his first double disk but was super watered down and had to re-release as one disk (probably waited to see if there are any Nas disses on lost tapes to respond to prior to submitting his album) Disses Nas on Blueprint 2 but it was one year too late, also Jay admitted he may have lost with the line "But I will not lose, for even in defeat/There's a valuable lesson learned, so it evens up for me"..."show you how to do this son" is talking about Nas...note, every time Jay says "son" or even "dude", he is talking about Nas, God's Son
Nov 26, 2002 - 2Pac releases his 5th double disk, Better Dayz. Nas appears on 2Pac's "Thugz Mansion" for a posthumous collaboration.
Dec 13, 2002 - Nas releases God's Son as a tribute for his mother, disses jay on subliminally on "Made You Look" by saying Jay is "a slave to a page to his rhyme book" meaning that Jay took his style and rhymes. Nas originally wanted to make his album dissing everyone who "sold out" in the industry following his radio rant but ended up scrapping the concept to instead rap about concepts he talked about with his mother. Eminem produced for Nas as a peace offering to smooth things out from the 8 mile soundtrack but did not have a verse on the song. 2Pac appears on Nas' version of Thugz Mansion NY. Nas said that Biggie's Kick in the Door was towards him on "Last Real Nigga Alive" and how when Jay was trying to be NY's king, where Jay also grew his animosity towards Nas. Mase was the biggest name in hip hop after Biggie died because Puffy was starting his career, carrying Biggie's torch, and needed Mase as a ghostwriter and a sidekick. Why didn't Jay go against Mase or because Mase retreated to become a preacher in Atlanta before Jay grew more powerful?
Nov 14, 2003 - Jay releases The Black Album, copying Biggie's Black Album idea while saying that he recites Biggie's lyrics to keep his memory alive and then claims that he is retired. Jay disses 50 and Nas on his rap city freestyle responding to the chorus of "Made You Look". "99 problems but a bitch ain't one" is an Ice T remake but Jay is subliminally still talking about Nas because Nas has issues with his baby mama similar to "is that your chick?") On dirt off your shoulders, Jay said "this ain't a movie, dawg", which is a direct response to Nas' lyrics on "Made you Look", where he said "and cut, and that's the end of your movie". This is a chess move because Jay sent off his parting subliminal disses and Nas would look foolish dissing someone who is retired but Nas didn't take the bait but jabbed Jay on his Bravehearts single. on "what more can i say" Jay said that he was only bigging up BIG and Brooklyn when he was accused of biting Big as a response to mostly Nas' diss on Ether "how much of biggie's rhymes are gonna come out your fat lips?"
Dec 23, 2003 - Nas releases Bravehearted with "Quick to Back Down" as a single to jab Jay "Y'all already know who I'm better than"
when 50 cent got a shoe deal with reebok, he collaborated with Jay's shoe for a commercial but Jay was leveraging 50 to create a rift between Nas and 50 as a way to say "I got more shooters in Queens than you"
Nov 30, 2004 - Nas releases street's disciple, his first double disk since attempting it unsuccessfully for I Am and does not mention Jay
Nov 30, 2004 - Jay/linkin park releases collision course (pits himself against Nas as something to talk about if Nas dissed him, he would pull up record sales)
June 1, 2005 - Jay is pseudo out of retirement and appears on Memphis Bleek's album with "Dear Summer", where he says he doesn't respect subliminal records except that he's the one still rebutting Nas' lines and dishing out subliminals.
Aug 30, 2005 - Nas Appears on Kanye's "We Major" under the Rocafella imprint and Jay said it was his favorite song on Kanye's Late Registration
Oct 28, 2005 - Nas appears on Jay's "I declare war" concert and both people patch things up while performing "The world is yours" and "Dead Presidents", where Nas finally is on Jay's hook. Jay initiated the conversation of them meeting by asking Nas if he was alright because of the recent death of Nas' mother as well as how Nas looked at the beef
Nas was trying to get out of his deal at Columbia and signs with Def Jam when Jay was president making it look as if Nas is bowing to Jay but they went on an interview spree saying that it was not the case. Cooler heads prevailed when it comes to money - Jay operates strictly for money and Nas was money motivated when signing to Def Jam to find the biggest bidder of his talent where Nas proceeded to drop provocative titles with Hip Hop is Dead and Untitled
Jay and Nas combined forces in an interview and now has a common foe Cam'ron because Nas said Cam'ron's album during horse and carriage was wack, and Jay thought Cam and Dame was having a hostile takeover of rocafella when jay was on vacation
Nov 21, 2006 - Jay releases kingdom come (beef was squashed, right? released 1 month prior to nas)
Dec 19, 2006 - Nas releases hip hop is dead (has Jay-z feature on black republican) Kanye produces on this album
Nov 6, 2007 - Nas releases Greatest hits without Ether unlike 2Pac's which includes "Hit Em Up"
Nov 6, 2007 - Jay releases american gangster (has Nas feature on Success except that Jay had Nas pressed for time to do a verse at 4AM after Nas did a show in Canada for that verse and yet it still came out fire https://youtu.be/tLr-xMPQzGU?t=47 Jay been trying to sabotage every Nas feature on every Jay's song just to not get killed on his own track) Jay tries to rewrite history with "Roc Boys (And the winner is...Hov)" which is a LL Cool J remake but he is subliminally saying he won the beef with the song title (Jay went from dissing on verses to dissing on choruses to dissing with just song titles) but he had Nas in the video. On 'Success', Jay starts off by biting Eminem: "I used to give a fuck, now I give a fuck less/What do I think of success? It sucks, too much stress/I guess I blew up quick/'Cause friends I grew up with"...that is an eminem line from "I'm Back"....."I used to give a – fuck, now I could give a fuck less/What do I think of suc-cess/It sucks, too much press I’m stressed/Too much cess, depressed, too upset/It’s just too much mess, I guess I must just blew up quick"....And Nas dissed Jay-Z on Ether for saying that "Eminem murdered you on your own shit" and now when you're finally collaborating with Nas, you start off your first verse biting Eminem to keep up with Nas? Also, on "Blue Magic," Jay Z could finally say the line "the Feds, they like wack rappers, try as they might but they can't get me on the hook"...Jay have been sampling Nas on his hook for years and it's finally a full circle that Nas was on the hook performing Dead Presidents Live with Jay.."Empire state of mind" by Jay was just a rehash of Nas' New York State of Mind...Nas made 3 versions: 1 is on illmatic, 2 is on I am..., and 3 is with rakim and alicia keys and was on an Alicia Keys album but was slept on if it wasn't for mixtapes. What Jay did for "Empire state of mind" is remake the 3rd version with alicia keys, but make her sing "anthem" instead of "jazzy", but Jay was examining the game and saw that Lil wayne was hot and not only did Lil Wayne and Jay trade features on their respective albums with Tha Carter III, Jay rapped with a Lil Wayne flow on "Empire State of Mind"...how you gonna remake a Nas classic dedicating a song to NY with a southern nursery rhyme Lil Wayne flow?
Nas survives a book written by his baby mama, Carmen Bryant, detailing her experiences with Nas and Jay and it was literal dick measuring when comparing both rappers in the book
Jay-Z continues to release Blueprint 3 without Nas or dissing Nas but still resorts to dissing other people and autotune to propel his album sales
Sept 11, 2007 - when Kanye pit himself against 50 cent on "Graduation" vs "Curtis", at least Kanye and 50 were honest about it and got publicity that benefited both parties but where did Kanye and 50 get their inspiration from? Later, 50 commented that Jay was still pitting himself against Nas' release dates. 50 also took the beef approach to a new level by "how to rob" and he famously said, "if I can't be your friend, can I at least be your enemy?" in terms of getting Jay's attention and having Jay mention his name on "Too Hot" among other rappers who responded to "How to Rob" and Nas didn't get dissed at all because 50 Cent was once a Braveheart under the Columbia Label
Nov 24, 2008 - on Ludacris' "I Do It for Hip Hop", Jay was rhyming on topic for the sake of hip hop nostalgia and Nas came in with a line 'I was the best to ever do it'
Jay-Z releases several versions of his greatest hits without takeover
Jay basically waited 8 years of dating Beyonce to finally marry her when the coast is clear and that she would not be a casualty of any rap beef (But Game did it anyways) and suffered his own infidelity with Beyonce from his past habits
Nas is going through his divorce with Kelis and still freaks out when Jay said Hi to Kelis and is still haunted by the line "Gotta hurt I'm your baby mama's favorite rapper, And ask your current girl, she know what's up" from Supa Ugly
Aug 8, 2011 - Jay and Kanye basically took Nas and Damian Marley's idea for a collaboration album for "Watch The Throne" even though Jay has done collaboration albums in the past
July 4, 2013 - Jay releases Magna Carta Holy Grail and basically had Nas write his verse in one day because the whole album was done in 2 weeks and Jay finally schooled Nas on "BBC" because he gave Nas no time to craft his verse and BBC is short for Billionaire Boys Club, which Jay is a billionaire and Nas is not so it was still a subtle jab, where disses are reduced to just song titles, this time an acronym
June 15, 2018 - Nas releases Nasir, which was super rushed and he only had a week to lay his verses after Kanye was finished with Pusha T's album. It was also delayed for 1.5 days. Kanye inadvertently rushed Nas' artistic style the same way Jay did on BBC and sabotaged songs and the release from being great
June 16, 2018 - Jay/Beyonce releases a surprise album everything is love, which ambushes Nas' release
July 15, 2019 - Nas releases lost tapes 2
July 15, 2019 - Jay/Beyonce releases lion king soundtrack, another head to head
Aug 21, 2020 - Nas releases king's disease, which a lot of the symptoms describe Jay
Aug 21, 2020 - Jay/Pharrell releases entrepreneur (single)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nas_discography https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay-Z_albums_discography If you go through Nas' and Jay's discographies, Jay didn't start pitting himself against Nas until after Jay's summer jam Takeover verse in 2001...6 times prior to that, there were so many near-misses where their albums would be released within a month of each other, because jay likes to submit last minute songs and verses as responses to what Nas said if Nas released the month prior; otherwise, Jay had to wait a whole year to respond like he did on blueprint 2 after Ether and it was too late or make a single and put it on memphis bleek's album (or like when Jay dissed lil wayne on TI's album on "watch what you say to me"). 2Pac is the king of releasing double discs with 5, which convinced Biggie, Jay, and Nas (as well as others) to release double disks to get that monkey off their back besides going platinum. Jay went from dissing Nas vaguely to directly to subliminally on full verses to subliminally on lines to subliminally on choruses to subliminally on track titles to subliminally with tactics like rushing Nas on tracks to now pitting his releases against nas...there's a slew of tracks that I probably left out in the back and forth Ether has an original version described by large professor produced by swizz and another one transcribed on the internet...Nas was working on Ether in the wee hours and steve stout had to step in and fix everything before it was submitted, on Jay-Z's birthday..what a chess move...the original version said jay and dame dash should have been in a plane crash instead of aaliyah and talked about Jay's confrontation with Big Pun because Jay was supposed to perform but took the money as an "appearance fee" https://genius.com/Nas-ether-unreleased-edition-lyrics https://genius.com/a/large-professor-says-nas-ether-originally-had-a-reference-to-aaliyah-s-fatal-plane-crash Nas is a man of science and he plays his foes like chess. he plays aloof in interviews but when asked by The Breakfast Club why Jay seems to align his releases with Nas, Nas gave the politically correct answer that he and Jay move on the same time spectrum and that the question should be redirected towards Jay because he doesn't know why Jay still holds a grudge against Nas and wont let go...maybe it's still because their personalities clash because Jay did everything to get to his position motivated by money and Nas held his ground and would rather have things done his way and involve the audience in critical thinking instead of trying to market them stuff as if they are mindless zombies willing to consume on your every endorsement deal. Nas and Jay's beef is still brewing on Jay's side while Nas has moved on to other things...jay will forever hold a grudge against Nas for defeating him on Ether by stooping to the level of understanding for Jay's audience to them to also realize that Nas won. Jay can't hold another L to another Ether so he does passive aggressive actions that Nas barely realizes is happening or chooses to shrug it off but jay will be forever trying to feed that insatiable ego of his by pitting himself against Nas in every which way. Nas sees that people like Jay are kings but still hold that begrudging victim's mentality so that is partially why Nas made King's Disease, to cure people of their symptoms and get to the crux of the problem to solve it from within
2020.08.22 20:01 Leather_TermUnearthed photographs expose Robert Maxwell’s crusade with Royal Family
express.co.uk Aug 22, 2020 GHISLAINE MAXWELL's father, Robert, managed to integrate himself with members of the Royal Family for years - just like his daughter - before his death exposed his corrupt business dealings. nb: multiple photos within article Ms Maxwell was arrested last month on charges related to the sexual abuse of young women and girls by her ex-boyfriend Jeffrey Epstein between 1994 and 1997 — he killed himself while waiting for his own trial last year. Ms Maxwell has pleaded not guilty to the charges, but is waiting for her trial next summer behind bars after being denied bail. Her arrest has intensified the scrutiny on Prince Andrew, as he was friends with both the British socialite and Epstein. Andrew said last November that he continues to “unequivocally regret my ill-judged association with Jeffrey Epstein”, and that he “deeply sympathise[s] with everyone who has been affected”, while acknowledging that the furore their friendship caused meant he should step back from public life. He also claims he has offered to help with the US investigation into Epstein’s alleged sex trafficking ring on three separate occasions, despite this being disputed by US authorities. Furthermore, in an interview with BBC Newsnight, Andrew said “there was no indication” from his end that Epstein was procuring young girls for sex trafficking. Still, Andrew is believed to have been introduced to Epstein in around 1999 by Ghislaine Maxwell. Back in 2000, writer Peter Fearon claimed Ms Maxwell wanted to be friends with Andrew because “the public gesture of friendship by Britain’s most eligible royal was a signal to the world that the once reviled Maxwells were back”. Ghislaine Maxwell with her father, and Robert Maxwell with Princess Diana Ms Maxwell was the youngest daughter of the late media mogul and former Labour MP Robert Maxwell. A publishing giant who was also a decorated war hero, Mr Maxwell’s web of contacts stretched across many different powerful social circles. Staff claim they would hear him trying to impress visitors by picking up the phone and saying, “Get me the White House. Get me No.10”, and then pretend to have a conversation. Mr Maxwell’s empire meant he had many powerful connections, and met figures such Ronald Reagan, George HW Bush and John Major — as well as the Queen. He mysteriously disappeared from his yacht in 1991 and his body was found in the Atlantic a few hours later. His death revealed that his media empire was in tatters, due to debt — even though he was believed to be one of the wealthiest men in the world for a time. The New York Post alleged that Ms Maxwell had to walk around in London in a wig to avoid recognition after her father’s fall from grace — it was only through Andrew that she managed to revive her family’s reputation. However, a glance back at Mr Maxwell’s past exposes how he, too, used his royal connections to his advantage. In 1983, Mr Maxwell was pictured shaking the Queen’s hand with his daughter Ghislaine in the background, with all three smiling. This meeting showed a real turnaround for the media mogul, as in 1971, the Department of Trade and Industry reported that he was "not in our opinion a person who can be relied on to exercise proper stewardship of a publicly quoted company". Another archived photograph from the Eighties — with no specific date — shows the media mogul presenting something to the Queen, who looks delighted and is beaming from ear to ear. Then in 1985, Mr Maxwell was pictured with Princess Diana and Prince Charles. The caption read: “Media Mogul Robert Maxwell with Princess Diana and Prince Charles, discussing the upcoming Commonwealth Games (1986), to be held in Scotland, Princess Diana is presented with a presentation book to commemorate the upcoming Royal Wedding of Prince Andrew and Sarah Ferguson, also taking place next year, Pictured July 1985.” Diana is seen looking at the presentation book while Mr Maxwell and Charles are deep in conversation. Again, this showed Mr Maxwell resisting negative publicity. One of his new employees Joe Haines had dubbed him a "liar and a crook" around this time, but Mr Maxwell's crusade through the publishing industry did not stop. That same year, photographer Kent Gavin caught Mr Maxwell with Charles and Prince William together at an airshow. Mr Maxwell can be seen pointing enthusiastically in the distance, in a series of photographs with the Prince of Wales, while both Charles and William look engaged. In 1987, Mr Maxwell expanded his empire even further and purchased part of IPC Media and made Fleetway Publications. He also launched the unsuccessful London Daily News but it closed six months later. In 1988, Diana was pictured again with Mr Maxwell, as they both attended the National AIDS Trust at Guildhall. They are seen standing next to one another, sharing a joke. By this time, Maxwell owned Mirror titles, Pergamon Press, Nimbus Records, Maxwell Directories and half a share in MTV in Europe — as well as a collection of other companies. In the year of his death, he bought the New York Daily News. When news of his death became public, the then Prime Minister John Major rushed to acknowledge he was a "great character", while the Labour Party leader Neil Kinnock said he had a "zest for life". Ghislaine Maxwell was thought to be her father's favourite child However, the reality of Mr Maxwell's finances soon emerged and his sons Kevin and Ian Maxwell were left to deal with his debts after their father’s sudden death. At his 1995 trial, Kevin described his father by saying: “He did not consider himself above the law… but would stretch it as far as it would go.” Mr Maxwell had raided his employees’ pension pots in an attempt to prop up failing businesses in his empire, meaning more than £400million were missing. Historian Ben Macintyre even wrote in The Times last month of Mr Maxwell's influence on his youngest and favourite child. As she awaits her trial, Mr Macintyre claims she was reportedly "entirely dependent" on her father and grew up in his shadow. edited: photo links added
I should’ve figured it’s a year closer to 1979. If the flashback narrative being hinted is legit, we would have more events closer to our ‘present’ day. I guess we won't get links to the SDI project OR the Challenger, but then we've got a lot of other interesting events already.
Before we dive in, a correction: I mentioned the chess pieces in the previous thread might link to characters dying in the story. Turns out they were just linked with the ciphers and puzzles, with one coming down each time a day’s cipher was solved (all of the pieces are currently down). It could still be a representation of lives being lost every era of the Cold War, but I’ll admit, I wasn’t paying complete attention to the cipher hunt besides the bunker discoveries. Anyways, let's get into the final tape. Apologies if this thread comes later than before, but there's a LOT I had to unpack in this one. So here we go. Again, we’re looking at common themes and individual stand-up clips, for any hints to the story. The full tape for reference. And for one last time: If something glitches, pay attention!
Talk Show Footage: First clip is a woman talking about baseball player Pete Rose, and then introducing country musician Ronnie Milsap. Again, the first clips of the VHS tapes point to an important event or theme; something that is guaranteed to appear in-game.
Pete Rose was a baseball player and manager for the Cincinnati Reds. He was accused of gambling on games he was involved with, and was permanently barred from the Baseball Hall of Fame. Seems like a parallel to Nixon and the U.S. presidents featuring in this game, who all broke the rules in secret (except Carter).
Ronnie Milsap is a country singer, who had two of his biggest hits from his 1981 album: ‘There’s No Getting Over Me’ and ‘I Wouldn’t Have Missed It For The World’. He also sang the song ‘Any Day Now’, a cover song that was ALSO sung by Elvis Presley, though Ronnie’s version didn’t come out till 1982. Elvis’s death was featured in the previous tape. I doubt this is a coincidence.
We’re gonna hear ‘Any Day Now’ in this game, or one of Milsap’s other songs. Seems like perfect credits music to contrast the game’s events.
Baseball and Country Music are two hallmarks of American culture. Later on in this tape, we get clips of baseball players going on strike, and the introduction of MTV. Cultural traditions being disrupted (more on that later).
Also, Ronnie’s songs are now stuck in my head. God damn it.
Ronald Reagan. President Reagan was a conservative Republican who went into office in 1981. He was more confrontational against communism, and was credited for reducing inflation and stabilizing the economy, but he was also accused of allowing corruption, and for funding armed groups in South America like the Contras. Reagan was the very last U.S. president of the Cold War, and oversaw the fall of the Berlin Wall (he was the 'tear down this wall' guy).
We’ve got glitching after the oath, again. Reagan was accused of allowing the sale of weapons to Iran in order to fund the Contras.
Looks like this game will feature every U.S. president since the Cuban Missile Crisis. Lyndon B Johnson and Gerald Ford have the least presence in these tapes, so the focus will be on Kennedy, Nixon, Carter and Reagan. Three of them will be shown approving actions that go against the U.S. constitution (except good boi Carter.)
We also got heavy glitching during Reagan’s inspection of troops during his inauguration. Is this implying the troops will somehow turn against Reagan? Or is it hinting that Reagan will be the most military president of the bunch?
Tying with the teaser trailer, Ronald Reagan might be the ‘strongman’ that Yuri Beznemov is warning about, at least in BO:CW’s context. Will Ronald Reagan turn out to be an antagonist in this game? Or a lesser but still negative force?
Test tube baby: One-off clip. Maybe this is hinting at the theme of psuedoscience in this game? It could make the MKUltra stuff more of a possibility.
Space Shuttle launch: The Space Shuttle Columbia (and the Shuttle program in general) had its first launch on April 12, 1981, which happened on the 20th anniversary of Yuri Gagarin’s flight to space. We then get glitching during clips of the the shuttle’s re-entry.
I still stand by my ‘Space Shuttle Endgame’ theory from my previous thread; we’re probably getting a climax involving the Space Shuttle. Looks like it’ll be the Columbia, which makes sense (it’s a lot more tasteful than featuring the Challenger, which had its first launch in 1983) .
Release of the Iranian Embassy Hostages: Reagan’s presidency saw the return of the Iranian hostages, who were kept in Iran for over 400 days.
The last clip of Tape 5 involved the failed rescue of the Iranian hostages (Operation Eagle Claw); one of the main reasons Carter lost to Reagan in the election. If Eagle Claw is referenced in-game, it’ll be to paint Carter as a ‘weaker’ president compared to Reagan, while Reagan was the one who got the hostages home. Not that Reagan will be shown all positively in BO:CW.
Pershing Missiles standoff: We got a news broadcast of the Pershing ballistic Missiles, which the U.S. tried to deploy in Europe. There’s specific glitching over mention of the missiles, and also mention of nuclear forces in Britain and France. Seems like we'll hear of the Pershing missiles in-game.
Horse riding: Several horse riders doing circles in 05:21.This comes after the clip about the Pershing missiles. I’m still unsure about this one, maybe it’s a metaphor for ‘going in circles?’ Or we’re getting a horse riding sequence in the game?
Attempted Assassination of Ronald Reagan: On March 30, Reagan was shot in Washington DC outside the Washington Hotel. Three other people were shot, including White House press secretary James Brady (who suffered brain damage and died in 2014 because of his wound), a secret service agent and a police officer. All of them survived, but Brady was left brain damaged.
The shooter, John Hinckley Jr, was declared not guilty for reasons of insanity, even though he had a hand in James Brady’s death (he died from his wound in 2014) . The guy was stalking actress Jodie Foster, and thought that he’d only win her heart if he killed the U.S president. He was obsessed with the protagonist of Taxi Driver, and wanted to copy how he shot a U.S. politician in the film. Also, he was released from psychiatric care in 2016.
We have another specific newsclip in 16:45, saying it ‘appears he was acting alone’. This is one of the last clips of the entire VHS tape. I think we’re going to see MKUltra (or some other Soviet mind control) influencing JHJ into doing the shooting.
A curious fact: two of the people who pinned down the shooter, Alfred Antenucci and Frank. J. McNamara, died of illness right after the shooting. Antenucci died just months later, while McNamara died in 1984. I wonder if BO:CW will bring this up?
Reagan’s shooting happened less than two weeks before the launch of the Space Shuttle (April 12). If my theory on the Space endgame is right (maybe?), Reagan’s shooting will kick off the climax of the story, with things capping off on the launch day of the Columbia. But then, I wonder how in-universe the tapes in this video are? Will this be an alternate history game, where the Columbia launch is interrupted? What would that mean for the clips of the Columbia in 2003, and all the other 1981 events that took place after the shuttle launch? (like Muhammad Ali's match) . It could mean the 'present day' of the game will be after 1981, maybe 1984 or 86 like I predicted.
Slight visual glitching during news broadcast of Reagan’s wounds. I don’t know if it was in the original footage, but it’s a similar kind of glitch as a later clip, during Reagan’s speech about the Pershing missiles. Could be further sign that something's off about this shooting.
Alexander Haig: We have secretary of state Alexander Haig, talking about the line of succession in a White House press conference after Reagan's shooting. He infamously stated that 'he'll be in control' until the Vice President returned.
Oh man, Haig. Haig, Haig, Haig, Haiiiiiiiiiiiiig. Never even knew about this guy till now, but I think we're looking at a recurring character in Black Ops: Cold War. There is NO way Treyarch is glossing over this guy.
For starters: Haig was a Lieutenant Colonel in charge of the 1st Infantry Battalion in Vietnam, and won a Distinguished Service Cross for beating a larger Vietcong force in Ap Gu, 1967, right outside Saigon. He faced around 900 Vietcong soldiers, and under his command he took down 609, with only 17 U.S. casualties. At one point, he went on a helicopter to survey the field, flying up close until he was shot down. After the crash, he fought his way out, and led his battalion to victory under enemy fire.
He was the White House Chief of Staff during Nixon's term, and ran things while Nixon was occupied with Watergate (he was pretty much acting president). Some say he was the one who pushed Nixon into firing staff, which caused an outcry that made a bigger push for his impeachment. Haig was the one who encouraged Nixon to resign, and he might've ensured Nixon's pardoning by Gerald Ford after Ford's presidency. This was 1972.
Haig became supreme allied commander of NATO in 1974. During his drive to the NATO headquarters in Brussels, a bomb exploded under the bridge he was crossing. He barely escaped, though several of his bodyguards were hurt. Later, it turned out the attack was by the Red Army Faction. This was 1979.
The same year, Haig retired from the military, and became president and director for the United Technologies Corporation, which made aerospace engines and parts, and a bunch of other tech. Then in 1981 (seeing a pattern here?) he became Secretary of State for Ronald Reagan.
Haig was known to be incredibly brash and would make frequent outbursts. He was a fierce fighter and general, but as a political aide, he was incompetent and was disliked by many people in the White House staff. People gave him the nickname of 'Al Haig', and noted his authoritarian, narcissistic personality. Also, he had a weird way of speaking (nicknamed 'Haigisms') where he'd keep repeating the same words in a pompous tone. Sound familiar?
I'll shut up now. Treyarch worked hard on this game, and I do want to be surprised by the story campaign, so lets settle on this: you're going to meet Alexander Haig in Black Ops: Cold War. And oh my god, I wonder how much Treyarch will ham this guy up.
Giraffes: We got two giraffes in a zoo, with one of them a baby. This might tie in with the clips about youth and the young. A hint to a child-parent relationship in this game’s story, like the Mason family in Black Ops 2? Or a division between the old and young? Note that the younger giraffe is straying away from the older giraffe at one point.
Strikes: There are WAY too many clips about strikes to be a coincidence. We’ve got everything from an air controllers strike to a baseball strike, and a strike in Poland. For the news report for air controller strike, there’s emphasis on the words ‘havoc’ and confusion’. More on this later (along with the Giraffes); we have one clip that’ll explain all of this.
We have a clip of Reagan talking about the strikes, saying that all the striking air traffic controllers were in violation of the law, and they'll be fired if they don't stop the strike. But then, there’s a later clip of Reagan criticizing Russia for suppressing workers strikes in Poland. Right...
Air Raid on Iraqi Nuclear facility: On June 7th, Israel launched an air raid on an Iraqi nuclear reactor being constructed outside Baghdad. The clip reports Reagan suspending delivery of more fighter jets to Israel in response. More stuff linking with nuclear power?
I don't think Israel has been mentioned in any CoD games at all. This could be a first? It may just be a slight reference.
Princess Diana’s marriage: Princess Diana was infamously killed during a car crash while avoiding paparazzi. Does this link with all the car-safety clips in Tape 5? Maybe we’ll have an in-game assassination involving a car crash after all. I don't think we'll see Princess Diana's crash, maybe a mild reference......maybe.
MTV: MTV came out in August, 1981. We've got heavy glitching during a news report on MTV, which came out on August 1st. There's talk of mood and emotion, making people ‘feel a certain way' rather than giving them with any knowledge.
Obviously we're getting MKUltra links here. Whatever mind control is in this game, part of it will come from television broadcasts. It'd link to the other suspicious commercials we've had in the other tapes.
Sandra Day O'Connor : Sandra Connor O'Day was the first supreme court judge in U.S. history, serving from 1981 until her 2006 retirement. Though she was conservative, she sought compromise in many of her cases. She was fair with cases relating to race, and even protected abortion rights. Surprising, since she was also picked by Ronald Reagan.
Maybe this is a reference to this Cold War era being more liberal in some ways? Or it could be another hint to a female character in this game. Maybe we'll even meet her.
Rubix cube: We have someone solving a Rubix Cube, with lots of cuts and close ups. This could be a sly metaphor for the ciphers, and how much work the CoD community is doing. OR it could be a metaphor for the intricate puzzle our characters are solving in this game.
Reagan Speech: At 11:52, we have Reagan's speech to the National Press Club on arms reduction, from November 18th (our release date? Here's hoping). He talks about NATO's response to the Soviets being responsible and restrained. There is some heavy glitching throughout this entire speech; I half-expected Reagan to get cut up like SCP-1981.
Some glitches come up when he talks of NATO's restrained response. Screen blacks out completely when he talks about the Soviets threatening the 'nuclear balance'. Will part of the game's endgame crisis be over this arms standoff?
Glitchiest part was when he's saying this line: "War depends on the perceived ability of our forces to perform effectively. The more effective our forces are, the less likely it is that we'll have to use them.". This could imply a Soviet attempt to cripple the U.S. military in-game.
The last clip about Reagan had him encouraging Russia to disarm its nuclear weapons, and make a giant leap for mankind like the men on the moon. More references to the moon landings, like so many other clips in these VHS tapes. The moon's going to be an extremely important plot point, along with the Space Shuttle.
Soviet Spies/Defectors: We’ve got several interviews with soviet spies and double agents, including Adrich Ames, the dickbag who sold American agents out to the Soviets. We also have mention of Soviet sleeper cells, and explanations on how they infiltrated the United States.
Sleeper cells were featured in Black Ops 1, though they're only said to be deploying the Nova 6 weapons in the United States. We might have to fight them in this game.
Maybe it's also hinting we'll have a defector from the Soviet side helping us. Maybe he turns out to be a double/triple agent? It'll fit with this kind of story.
Glitches during this bit. Ames mentions himself being among 'other illegals' (not sure about the meaning of this word. Illegal immigrants?), and that it's the only way the Soviet Union could get in the military intelligence. "Because all their open means would be cut off."
I do know about the mention of Perseus in the teaser trailer. I might cover more of him in another thread.
Trivia Pursuit: A group of people playing Trivia Pursuit: Towards the end of the clip, there's a glitch, sudden freeze on the last frame, then cut.
Maybe this is Treyarch's way of saying the ARG is over? Or it could be a metaphor for the whole CoD community searching over the ciphers.
Someone in another thread said it might be Treyarch telling us we're just chasing after trivia, and we've been missing something big this whole time.
Muhammad Ali: Muhammad Ali had his final match in 1981 (Drama in Bahama) where he lost to Canadian Trevor Berbick. Afterwards, he decided to end his boxing career
Ali had stopped fighting in 1980 after his match with Larry Holmes, when he lost with crippling injuries (which might've sped up his Parkinsons). Because of this, he was unable to get a boxing license in the States, and had to go fight in the Bahamas. Less than 7500 people watched the match, and only one TV broadcaster bothered to bid for airing rights. It was an ugly final match to go out on, especially as Ali's opponent wasn't that powerful to begin with.
Also, the fight's promoter was James Cornelius, a former felon and member of the Nation of Islam, who had goons beating up boxing promotor Don King over this fight (money issues).
An American champ quitting his career after a heavy beating. Signalling some plot point in the game? Maybe with a character giving up after some long-fought failure. Or a representation of either the U.S. or Soviets, giving up the Cold War?
It could relate to the clips about racial issues in these tapes. Assuming my guesses about a black main character in-game are right, maybe this ties with him? Is this a hint to his fate in the story?
A quote from Ali after the match: "The money ain't important. I did this for me. I did it for the people who are too old or too whupped or too tired."
Christmas broadcast of Reagan. Reagan's broadcast on December 23rd, during the Soilidarity unrest in Poland. He starts by talking about the long history of the white house and all it’s gone through (as we've seen through all the tapes). He then starts criticizing the imposing of Martial Law over Poland, as enforced by the Soviets.
Glitch when Reagan talks about the right to strike and protest in Poland being violated (yep, what a hypocrite).
Another glitch when he mentions the Soviet Union and Afghanistan invasion. Are we getting Afghanistan in-game after all? Or something else? Maybe this is Treyarch pointing out a similarity between the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, and America's invasion?
There's a subtle glitching through Reagan's entire last line, and an abrupt cut off in : "I want emphatically to state tonight that if the outrages in Poland do not cease, we cannot and will not conduct ``business as usual'' with the perpetrators and those who aid and abet them. Make no mistake, their crime will cost them dearly in their future dealings with America and free peoples everywhere. I do not make this statement lightly or without serious reflection. We have been measured and deliberate in our reaction to the tragic events in Poland. We have not acted in haste, and the steps I will outline tonight and others we may take in the days ahead are firm, just-". Is this hinting that Reagan will do some
We've got comparisons between the Soviets clamp-down on protestors and unions, and the unrest in the United States. Maybe we're being signaled that martial law will be imposed on America too? By who, Reagan? Or someone else?
Walter Cronkite Final Broadcast: CBS anchorman Walter Cronkite's last broadcast on March, the same month as Reagan's shooting. Pretty much a signal that this is the last tape.
Finally, let’s get into one clip I skipped. One that's tied directly with our teaser trailer: Yuri Bezmenov, our Soviet spy boy. Bezmenov was a Russian spy who was planted in India, until he found he disliked the Soviet’s suppression of intellectuals, and defected. He appears in Tape #6 at 15:40, during the series of clips of other Russian defectors and double-agents. His words speak for itself:
“The highest art of warfare is not to fight at all. But to subvert anything of value in your enemy’s country. Be it moral traditions, religions, respect towards authority and leaders, cultural traditions, anything. Put white against black, old against young, wealth against poor, doesn’t matter. As long as it disturbs society, as long as it cuts the moral fiber of the nation, it’s good.’
This is the context for so many of the clips. The strikes, the racial conflict, the protests, young people and economic problems. Maybe not ALL of them are directly caused by Soviets, but they must've nudged something to make them happen. Coupled with other info in the trailer, I think our game's conflict is obvious: We have a Russian plot to destabilize the United States and its allies. The Russian agents are doing it through assassinations, sabotage, sleeper cells, and quite possibly mind control. We might even have American collaborators to allow this to happen. Knowing Treyarch's games, this plot's going to be capped off with something explosive; something that could allow for a climatic battle with our characters. Black Ops 1 had the impending launch of Nova 6, Black Ops 2 had Raul Menendez taking over the drones, and Black Ops 3 had Corvus trying to spread a digital-mental computer virus. Expect Russia attempting a knockout strike on America, and our characters trying to stop it. --- Now, u/ParagonFury made a good thread about Yuri Beznemov. He has some legitimate criticism about Beznemov and his appearance in the trailer (mostly about how Beznemov isn’t as knowledgable as people make him out to be). But I want to highlight one statement:
The things Beznemov talks about and suggests the Soviets do to the US don't work in a country where people like Romney and Trump exist in the same party, or where someone like AOC and Biden can peacefully co-exist in the same party. The US is simply too massive, too diverse for that kind of strategy to work - you can sow chaos by following some basic psychology tricks, sure. But you'd need willing accomplices, AND another method of attack if you actually wanted to destroy a country like the United States.
I agree. You’ll need more than a few Soviet agents in order to do the stuff that Beznemov described. There’s a chance Treyarch will just handwave this for the sake of an exciting action thriller, but I think they’ll actually explain all these points. The key words here are accomplices, and a method of attack. 1. MKUltra This is the big one. In Tape 4, we’ve got a LOT of clips about the CIA’s mind control program, and in other tapes we’ve got a focus on emotional manipulation in the media, aggressive impulses, and mob behavior. I’m certain we’re getting mind-control in this game. After all, it can make people follow orders en-mass (willing accomplices), and it’s a powerful weapon against any state (a method of attack). It also falls in line with Beznemov’s quote in the VHS tape: the highest art of warfare is to not fight at all. Why fight the enemy when you can just control them? Now, this could just be a red herring. Maybe the CIA did try to experiment in mind control, but the experiments never panned out. But why the emphasis on a Truth Drug? Why the other mentions of Soviets trying to manipulate what Americans are saying, or their actions? And this is a Black Ops game. We’ve had brainwashing in BO1, drone armies and future tech in BO2, and A.I.s stealing people’s bodies in BO3. Would it be that out of place to put in more mind control? I guess it depends on how grounded in reality this game is. Treyarch might pull a Modern Warfare, with a more realistic game featuring less implausible tech or events. But will they really tone things down? 2. American Collaborators Exactly what it says. if Russia has a hand in mind control (maybe through co-opting MKUltra), I doubt they’ll rely on only mind-controlled Americans. There’s plenty of Americans in the Cold War who willingly helped Russia, like double agent Adrich Ames (who appeared in this tape). We won’t just face Russians. We’ll be facing willing American collaborators, working with Soviets to create a hardline U.S. government, or just overthrow it altogether. It’ll be standard coup stuff, with either army battalions being co-opted, or we have armed rebels in the middle of cities (like the L.A. level in Black Ops 2.). Or it could be agents infiltrating government institutions, taking things over in silence. And remember: Call of Duty is a game built on shooting waves of enemies coming at you. If we’re getting combat levels in America, it’ll be a little ridiculous to have a whole army of Soviets in the middle of the United States. If Treyarch wants the game to be more grounded (and seems like they’re doing that), they might have some Americans working with the Soviets. Though I can think of ways they’d go around this. They could do raids like Modern Warfare 2019, where you have less Russians opposing you, but the gunplay is more tense and dramatic. It could add a stealth element that'll help the game’s covert tone. …or they could just not care, like how MW3 has an army of terrorists setting up shop in London, or Black Ops 1 having a whole battalion of KGB guys in Hong Kong (without any political consequences). I’m betting Treyarch’s will find a compromise. It’ll be an interesting change of pace, as the Russian enemies in CoD are getting a little stale. Not that Russia wasn’t a totalitarian government at the time (and now), but it'll spice things up. -- That's all for now. I'll be making one more thread summarizing the possible contents of the game, but it's been a blast. Some people liked the ciphers, but this was the highlight of the teaser for me. Half the time, I felt like I'm uncovering an actual conspiracy, like I'm just a step away from morphing into Mailroom-Conspiracy-Charlie from It's Always Sunny. I think that's the excitement Treyarch meant to spark with this whole teaser campaign. Thanks for all the support! I'm happy people were so interested in my analysis of these tapes. Also, thanks to u/Sageburner712 for his own threads, he put up some interesting details I missed. Look out for at least one more thread! Any thoughts and speculation of your own? Let me know in the comments! (Also, thank you to Activision and Treyarch for the message! I hope this game turns out amazing; I'm definitely getting it when it comes out. Also, if you're reading this: please make the game less than a bazillion Gigabytes. I'm saving disk space for Cyberpunk 2077, the only other game I can uninstall is Modern Warfare 2019, and I don't want Infinity Ward devs haunting me in my sleep. )
2020.08.20 16:24 Sanity0004Watching The Challenge for the first time ever as a Big Brother/Survivor fan. Part 3: Fresh Meat 2
Ok, with the first couple episodes I thought I was actually going to be going back to covering multiple seasons in a single post, but after the first couple episodes were kind of mediocre the season completely caught flames and skyrocketed ahead in probably the most notes I have for a season and possibly my favorite season too this point. Episode by episode reaction or breakdown and at the end I'll throw up a TL:DR of my overall thoughts of the season and I think I'm going to do a ranking of the seasons to this point at the end. Sorry it's stupid long. I'm insanely long winded and never shut up. This is well over half the post limit so this may be a little too long. Let me know what you think. People seem to like them and I love just ranting about reality shows. Part 1 Part 2 Ep 1: Glad to see this season type again. Not feeling too hot about the set of newbies, but love the general set up of the season. Noor seems interesting and good but that's all that's really jumping out at me from the jump. Good god, Kenny, please put the damn necklace away. I wonder who the person who couldn't make it in the country was? I'm sure it's known. Ok, without a doubt this is the best Challenge House they've had to this point. That place looks nuts. Glad to see Ev again. Oh god, Sarah. No!!!!!!! You were the chosen one! You had so much hope and potential!!!! What the hell are you thinking working with Kenny?!?! You know damn well he just softened up to you now knowing you are one of the better girls competing and now you aren't automatically against him. He's still a douchey asshole. Stop it! Dammit! Yeah, I feel like most of this cast is duds. I know it's the first ep and all, but they seem to be more there for the party. One girl is literally choosing between hooking up with Wes or Kenny... I love that Kenny and Wes are working together but clearly have no desire to take it very far. LOVE the changes they've made to the exile. Weight being fairly distributed, and making the puzzles mandatory are great changes. Also got rid of the pointless flags that were only designed to be forgotten. Super sad to see Darrell go so fast. Smart move to get rid of him. Just sad to see him go so fast after he last got DQ'd for fighting Brad. Ep 2: Man, Landin is so good at these challenges. Wes didn't take long to go for the first move. Landon joining an alliance? I didn't know he was against them, but yeah it totally makes sense. He did seem more like a guy to play it straight and base everything on performance. Oh no, now Kenny is going to feel what it feels like to have numbers be used against you and having no control over who does and doesn't go in at all times. Oh nooooooo. Oh my, this is exactly what I wanted after the last few seasons. Give me a house divided! This is 100% what this show needs at all times! More strategy and more alliances! I'm actually glad Kenny comes back. I want there to be better back and forths throughout the season and I think he will be good for that. Ep 3 Paula is just nuts. I think she's playing somewhat of a character when she asks questions like "Are you single?" to determine her pick, but she is also insanely jealous of any guy she deems attached to her giving more attention to another girl. First it was Dunbar, which how it was edited literally made me think Dunbar and Paula were dating, but apparently paula was talking about Dunbar having a different girlfriend? I'm loving this house divided dynamic. I know I've already said that, but damn it's what this show needs. Having two big teams defined like rookies/vets isn't really the same because the vets are never caring about the rookies anyways. They're only ever concerned about getting who they want out of their own. There needs to be clearly divided alliances whole heartedly playing against each other strategically. Jenn also really seems to get attached to her partners in these games. I noticed before almost anyone she partners with she starts calling them by all these pet names. Kenny thinking Wes was dumb for trying to just throw his partner on his back to complete this swinging competition lol He clearly didn't think he'd actually do it. He probably looked at his partner and looked at all the other girls finishing it and realized it was his only chance of possible finishing it. His very first swing was a tarzan like swing that was hopeless lol I'm actually happy for a Kenny win this challenge. I would love nothing more than for these alliances to go back and forth the whole game. Kenny instantly thinking Paula will get voted in. It's awesome to hear that thinking. Am I crazy to think this Ev/Luke talk about Exile is all show to get voted in on purpose? Why would you talk that openly about not wanting to do it behind the guy making the decision lmao Apparently not show, Luke is just really fucking dumb apparently. "It's a scary day when Kenny starts making intelligent decisions." lmao I love it. I love Paula seeming to have all this confidence. I literally have no faith in the world that Paula even has a slight chance in this exile. I genuinely don't understand the whole controversy of Wes possibly being upset by Kenny turning the one girl down. Must be an alpha male thing or something, but there's so damn much interpersonal relationships and hookups in this show I seriously can't even begin to see how it's upsetting when some chick just goes from one dude to the next. Do you really expect this relationship to go anywhere? Even then, why does it matter? So weird to me. Don't get eliminated Jenn, Noor is literally the only person from this cast I feel is actually a hit. Jenn is in the Wes alliance secretly? Fuuuuuuuuuucking love it! Love this reveal! lmao Mandi trying to demand Wes getting her in line is almost just as hilarious. Paula is actually in this way more than I thought she'd be. I mean she seems to not be struggling at least, who knows how fast. At least by the editing. The way this race type is edited it could literally be anyone in the lead at any time. I'm literally shocked by Paula being that close. She really seemed to be in it. Ep 4 I think Kenny is a douche, but I kind of agree with him when he says if they really like each other then it shouldn't matter that Theresa liked Kenny day 1 and Kenny turned her down. He's still a dumbass and a douche for bringing it up at all, but it's Wes's fault it bothers him. I seriously want to see a sober edition of The Challenge lmao Alcohol gets involved and these people really just can't get out of their own way. "We're in the lead on a well oiled machine! We have 10 votes! Go the fuck to bed!!!" Wes, I kind of love you. I hated you just a few short seasons ago lol I feel bad for rookies in this game. You have to earn your stripes, do what we say when it comes to decisions, but also deal with our shit when we're drunk and angry and know your fucking role! It's like a damn frat house on steroids and everyone has to go through a whole losing game of hazing. I can not express how much I love the strategizing this season! Ev scheming with Ryan to manipulate the choices out of Kenny when he's the one that won is just chefs kiss Ha, I love that Evelyn's words from the first Fresh Meat where she said "I'm controlling this game" the same episode she was eliminated. Now she's saying it in Fresh Meat 2 when she's actually making the decision. Branden seems cool, hope he gets another chance. Think he got screwed being saddled with Kaitelyn. "Here's the deal..." Commercial Break Why do I feel like TJ's about to pull some twist out of his ass? Awww Branden fucked it up for em' That sucks lol Uh oh...Landon and CJ about to jump ships? I feel like this is a set up of a team change up!! Ep 5: I feel like there is some context lost to this Danny/Wes situation of talking about Danny going in to the next Exile. On one hand I understand the reasons for wanting to cut the guy, but at the same time, the way it's talked about and the way it's conveyed comes off as really dumb. I hate Kenny's confessionals, only because I have to stair at that dumb necklace of his. It looks like it's straight from 2004 that he bought at a tourist trap surf shop and has just refused to ever take it off. Danny honestly seems like the least effective guy this season, and in a season of fresh meat that seems crazy. Damn, Kenny and Laurel are completely killing these challenges. Wes and Ev are absolute gamebots, and I love it. Is Wes turning in to my favorite player?! The difference between him and JEK? He doesn't try to hide it. He doesn't sit there and talk about it being a team decision or just how everyone is deciding. He doesn't flip around "rules" that the teams decide just to flip them around when they can be used against him. He doesn't shy away from being the bad guy at all. That makes it more entertaining! I'm confused on where Danny and Sandy fell behind? Seemed crazy. Ep 6: "I go to the end with my friends. They're throwing all theirs under the bus" Ok Kenny, lets ask Paula and Johanna about that one? Or any of the women from Ruins lol The same season Ev threw a comp so her friend could stay and she went on to the last challenge. I'm starting to think these people don't actually watch their own show. A fucking HOUR??!?! An hour of pushing a log against a person! hahaha Wow Wow, that was a complete thwomp. Them getting blown away just makes Ev and them look even more dumb lol Kenny...volunteering to go in to exile?!?! Wow, this all must be going to Kenny's head lol He's not playing scared. Ok, Wes and Ev are just going too far at this point. They're the ones playing scared at this point. This is dumb. I hope they're just screwing Kenny over. If they legit just go and make an alliance with Kenny just to keep themselves out of the exile and throw their two alliance members under the bus It will be real damn shitty. Especially since they still control the vote. I just don't get the over reach here. I hope they're just screwing Kenny over to then change the votes around, but who knows. Wooooooow, just what the fuck..... What?! I literally don't understand this. I would not be shocked if Wes and Ev are the next couple people gone. I think they've screwed their chances of making it to the end. They overplayed, plain and simple. Kenny is 100% right and I'm shocked he has to sit there and explain it. He just showed the whole house they will screw over even their closest alliance members. After having JUST done that with Danny. They're completely screwed and Kenny knows they were absolutely dumb to even offer this deal in the first place. At a certain point you just have to accept you may not always have the control. But doing everything you can to at least appear like you have control, while screwing over your alliance was easily the dumbest move to make. I'm shocked at how dumb this was. I can see them thinking they have Jenn and Ryan in their pocket secretly, but how can they just freely jump ship when you're completely throwing your team under the bus for the sole purpose of wanting to have the say. Wow, the scene from Kenny saying he sticks with his friends has so much context now. Still don't think it's true lol Just manipulation of a different kind. These two idiots failing to do this first puzzle is absolutely hilarious. They never even a single time remove the two small triangles from the tail of the fish. I'm almost certain that that is a key factor in them making absolutely zero progress. This is hilariously stupid lol Hey what do you know, they finish it after AN HOUR AND A HALF! because they finally remove the small triangles. They let them complete it hahahaha TJ's smile seeing them finishing LMAO Ep 7: "He spared me last time and put you guys(Landon) in instead, but I'm not stupid." He SPARED YOU?! What?! This is how you are trying to spin you working a deal to throw your alliance under the bus to their damn face? You're turning into JEK 2.0 all of a sudden. You were off to such a good start! Laurel seems like a great addition to this show, but her attitude makes me think she won't be back much. She seems good though. She just acts like she's above it. "The numbers I had have dwindled down." That's what happens when you throw your damn numbers under the bus two exiles in a row. God, now there is Wes and Kellyanne drama? Dammit Wes. You're going downhill fast this season my man. "Landon won't tell us anything about his decision." Guys, you fucked him over. Live with it. Instantly going off on more allys that should now not trust you at all. Wes saying "Evelyn and Pete only care about themselves and Kenny right now." Buddy, you're only doing this scrambling when you and Ev are feeling scared!!!!! Ahhhh man, you started out the season sooo damn high on my list. What happened?!?! You done goofed. You goofed! Hmmmm if only someone could have seen this coming... You screw people over, then expect people who were barely on your side in the first place to suddenly be on your side putting themselves in the line of fire. YOU.DONE.GOOFED. Hey Maybe Laurel and Ev can be on the same sides in the future? Man, you're sitting here chatting with each other and realizing how you lead a path of destruction. Then you turned on your own numbers to save yourselves. Maaayyyyyyybe you'll reflect on that and realize down the road. Wes not being able to just skip the puzzles and take the teammates bag is definitely going to be his downfall. Wes is the one lagging behind?! What in the hell? I love this. I want Mandi too yell "Dammit you god damn bitch!" at Wes so bad lol Please let it happen! Damn, Wes lost his first damn exile and slowed down his partner. What the hell? lol All my eggs are in everyone but Kenny. Dear god don't let Kenny win again. Wes is only 24? Holy shit. Has he been on MTV every damn day of his life past the age of 18? lol Ugh, Kenny gets to talk shit now. Yay... Ep 8:* I feel like this whole episode can be an essay on how important timing is in these games, and also how not to let anger take over for intelligent game moves. Landon, I completely understand being angry your alliance screwed you over. I agree 100%. But you can't just throw your chances out of anger. You can't throw away all of your bargaining and position potential and turn around and try to bargain on the order of the competition. As much as you were, understandably, mad with Wes and Ev, you have to realize at that point you were stuck with your decision and screwing yourself even more and making your chances harder just weren't worth it. You wasted your small time of power on making your standing in the game worse because you just couldn't look past a shitty week. A better decision would have even been to throw Kenny/Laurel in and then use your vote to throw Wes/Ev in. At least then you weren't 100% guaranteed to lose an ally and you could at least pass it off as showing you were done with them you just couldn't throw them both in at the same time. You could have turned around and played both sides at that point. You got to slap your side on the wrist, and gone to the other side and said you couldn't put them both in, but you also didn't put two from their side in. They still could go and you'd still have a harder time to the end, but the chances are a little better and your bargaining position is a little better. You could have at least talked on a more even playing field with Ryan or Jenn. I just assumed Landon would return to his straight shooter style of play after his move, but immediately going back to try and barter and deal just makes the decision even worse. Not that it'd put you in any better of a spot, but at least then it'd be a bit understandable. I don't know how you thought you could bargain after this lol Ev goes and TJ talks shit and I love it. "I've never seen a 4 year old on this show before." I feel like there wasn't too much to say this episode simply because I was thinking constantly about how bad of a decision Landon had made and how it was made even more obvious when he's trying to talk with others and throw out offers. Can we just say how I absolutely called Ev and Wes being next to go immediately after their bullshit with Landon and CJ? You idiots. Ep 9: I'm sorry, but I can't accept this "Teamwork, hurrah!" version of Kenny. I don't find it genuine at all. The only reason he is working with these people is because it's mostly all he has, but he also knows he can beat them in a final challenge. If this was a team bank or team competition he would be doing anything he could to cut these people. It's real easy to talk teamwork when it just helps you further along with people you know you can beat. If you were in Wes's place with his alliance members you'd be working to cut them down just like Wes did. (Not cosigning what Wes did, still think it was dumb) I like this challenge obstacle course, but the way they portray it after the first or second team makes it kind of boring. Having to show all the sections as they go through it and basically come down to only showing the mud pit with the other players trying to slow them down just kind of felt boring afterward. I hate that they don't give all the times of the teams. I honestly want to know who came in first and second and what their times were. 2 seconds being the deciding factor on this huge obstacle course is just nuts. That's trully insane. Well, it's the battle for fourth place. I am kind of leaning toward Jenn/Noor being the ones to make it back at this point. Ryan and Theresa are pretty weak and I don't see Theresa having all that much fight in her. But at the same time it's brought up Noor's asthma issues a few times for it to not have any effect yet. Also Jenn seems a little broken by getting in by just 2 seconds. Ep 10: They really shouldn't start these episodes with the elimination. It literally starts the final episode of the season being pretty boring. Don't try to pretend it matters which of these two returns. Neither of them have a chance plain and simple. Also it's in the dark and is mostly close up shots of the contestants faces as they look like they're staring off in to space. It's just a dumb decision. The amount of people that refer to their partners as "babe" or "baby" is really bothering. Hey Jenn and Noor win. Wooo, now you have to go run a bunch all over again and lose horribly. Welcome to fourth place, literally no different than last. Ok prediction time only having seen what the challenge is and seeing the teams: 1st: Kenny/Laurel 2nd: Jillian/Pete (they've shown pretty great indurance, and I think Landon's partner will struggle with the start with the canew and then lag behind becouse of it) 3rd: Landon/Partner(Kristi? I never remember her name) I think they could have stronger possiblity in this race, but the canew start bodes poorly for them and going up the mountain is where Landon's partner struggled the most. Just Landon, I think he beats Kenny/Laurel or at least comes neck and neck. I just think this is a worst case scenario for his partner who has surprised me, but this time around she's going up against some of the best. Even though I think Jillian is a poor competitor she's shown endurance for sure. 4th: Jenn/Noor (I honestly think there is very little chance they come in any place but 4th. They tired, Noor's been having asthma issues. Jenn is pretty slow on her own. I just don't see them getting anything but 4th) The kanoo trek seemed a lot easier than I thought it'd be. I immediately want to ammend my predictions lol Cue two minute helicopter montage. Jenn and Noor pushing their bikes immediately lol At least one prediction was pretty spot on. Outside of the Landon prediction I feel pretty spot on with the order of the other 3. Landon is just a wildcard at this point. He now seems like a lock for 1 or 2. Landon literallly pushing the bikes and pulling Carley. Immediately after my prediction change. Damn, moving these logs and THEN carrying a weighted bag to the next check mark? Damn! Kenny with tones of Fresh Meat 1 Wes. Someone says this weighted bag is 80 pounds, but I don't believe it. At one point Kenny passes it off to Laurel for the first time and it doesn't phase her at all. She's going to pick up 3/4ths of her body weight and not be effected? People look more effected when they throw on the weighted backs for exile. I wonder if they do Big Brother and Survivor style physicals and tests before these seasons. I know they test Fresh Meat, but with how many people have come in with injuries and illnesses and stuff I'm wondering if the test people before coming in. I'm just curious how doable they know these challenges are or not. I would think it would be required but the stuff that's gotten through seems crazy. I'm shocked. I am highly impressed by Carley. She did insanely well during the exiles, and never gave up. Really damn impressed. So yeah, seems like my predictions were pretty good except I just severely underestimated Carley. Happy to see Landon win. Hope to see Noor and Laurel again playing their own game and not being the rookies. If you would have asked me my first impression of Carley at the beginning of the season I would have said she was like another Shauvon. Not near as worthless or as Jersey Shore-ish, but she seemed to have just about the same kind of attitude and look about her. Jillian....just about as blah as can be. I would have never imagined seeing her again without Frank. She had a pretty blah partner as well. Who's only element of note from the show is hooking up with Jenn. Reunion: First live reunion show impressions! Had to hunt this shit down. I wanted more of this cast! Ugh, I can't take the Kenny ego. Wes does a poor job of talking right off the bat though. Ok, I feel like Kenny is overdoing trying to play up a character. "I'd beat your ass right now." blah blah blah What is with this Kenny doesn't screw people over narrative? Do they seriously just not take women into consideration?! These people fuck over the women season after season. Danny seems so pissy, but he was so clearly not in the game those last few days. He seemed completely out of it. I seriously can't take this Kenny dick sucking! He would never throw his best friend under the bus?! God Damn you! God damn it. He and Johnny were literally trying to get people on the island to take their alliance members keys over their own! They were throwing challenges constantly to drop girls. Fuck this Kenny shit. Fuck it. Jillian, ugh, why are you even here? Jenn looking hot at this reunion. The Jenn/Mandi fight went on for 4 hours?! Jenn could have been ejected? Kinda shocked. Show Danny's fight night and then wonder why your alliance was ok throwing you in exile... Sorry Laurel, just because it's a fact doesn't mean it isn't talking shit lol Also saying "you didn't pull your weight" isn't a fact. Jillian shut the hell up! "Only the freshman hate Laurel. It's just jealousy!" Lmao, shush chick Ugh Ev, shut up. Oh yeah, she's definitely not cocky, she blames everyone but herself. Yes I know women get shit on constantly by their partners and she shouldn't get too much shit for being the only girl that easily outclasses a lot of the guys and talking shit to her partner, but it still doesn't make up for the fact that she acts like a child. Everyone is dealing with their own difficulties when it comes to their partners. It's how she fucking reacts or handles it that makes the difference. Wes just quitting is disappointing. He couldn't skip the puzzles and he was screwed. Unless the hook ups effect the game in some way I just don't really care about them. Jenn "visits you at school"? What is this age gap? Oh the Laurel laugh. I keep hearing about these Dailies, I'm shocked there isn't some kind of extensive archive of all these things. Landon barely gets any time in this reunion, but he is hilarious every time he speaks. Give him more time! TL:DR Probably easily my favorite season up to this point. I think this show gets broken when there isn't fair divisions in teams or political power in some way. The Gauntlet 3, the rookies never had a chance, ever. The game set up made it beneficial for teams to start throwing challenges or they probably would have never won. Probably a fuck up on production in many ways. Ruins was broken because no one was even close to the politicing power of JEK. They got numbers and never slipped from having complete control. These seasons were still entertaining, but they were fundamentally broken as far as competition goes because there never was any equal footing. This season gives me that in spades. Two apposing forces, heading two apposing alliances, one pretty ahead in competition prowess but the other pretty ahead in politicing. This all just made for an amazing season. I feel like if half the fresh cast wasn't mostly duds and a few of the returnees weren't so weak or blah I think this could have easily looked like one of the best seasons ever. Clearly I don't know what is to come later, but could you just imagine this game going the same kind of way and progress with a fully packed cast from head to toe? I love the winners, completely underestimated Carley. I thought Landon screwed himself when he put Ev vs Wes in right away after being screwed over, but he was good enough to keep himself in there. My ranking of the seasons to this point: 1: Fresh Meat 2 2: Duel 2 3: The Ruins 4: Gauntlet 3 5: Fresh Meat 1 6: The Duel 1 7: The Island I think the biggest factor in my rankings is hour long episodes and dedication to strategy being shown. The Island was just bad all around. Duel and Fresh Meat had good casts but it was so clear there was so much strategy being left out of the 20 min episodes. Gauntlet 3 is on the bottom of the fresher era of shows because it was just so completely onesided, the cast was bloated, and the comp designs and editing of this season just seemed all over the place. Maybe growing pains for the first hour long episodes or something but that season is pretty weak beside the killer vets cast. Sorry this is all so god damn long winded. Let me know whatever you guys think below. Even if you want to completely shit on my takes. I love discussing this stuff and replying to comments and seeing everyone's thoughts is more than half the fun. Thanks for reading!
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